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Old 11-25-2013, 05:42 AM
 
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OMG! YES!!!



Oh hey, though? Let's keep doing the ole whine and blame game, holding grudges against folks who had no control over what their ancestors did or did not do. Tell me what good that serves? I'll tell you what it does. It manipulates people's perspective. If people are solely focused on THAT type of slavery, the kind that occurred 150 years ago, we won't realize that WE are the slaves. Oh...they're going about it differently than the plantation and factory owners did (sort of), but it's still slavery, all the same.
Let me guess, the baby boomer whites had no control or involvement in Jim crow separate "but equal" laws right?
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:43 AM
 
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Yes, the Los Angeles Times carries stories showing non-white people in a favorable light.
How frequently, once in a blue moon?
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Old 11-25-2013, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Let me guess, the baby boomer whites had no control or involvement in Jim crow separate "but equal" laws right?
Well.....let's see here.

According to Wikipedia...
State-sponsored school segregation was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1954 in Brown v. Board of Education. Generally, the remaining Jim Crow laws were overruled by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

In view of the fact that the "Baby Boomers" were born between the years 1946-1964, I'd say you can let most of them off the hook. Most of them wouldn't have been old enough to have anything to do with it. They were kids, simply being pulled along in the current of things. But hey? Thanks for asking.

If it makes you feel better, having me to blame...feel free. I'm a baby boomer. I mean.....I was 3 years old, when those remaining laws were overruled, but hey.....I was ALIVE, right? Therefore, I must have had something to do with it. Give me a break!

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Old 11-25-2013, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Try living the life experience of a Black person then come back and comment about excuses.
Your post makes no sense to me.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:13 AM
 
Location: nyc
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Your post makes no sense to me.
I think they mean you should put on make up and live as a black for a while ...
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Try living the life experience of a Black person then come back and comment about excuses.
Here's something that bothers me. Why is it, that some black people assume that being born with white skin, meant that they were treated better or had a better life? Many non-black people are descended from slaves, as well. I guess it's simply easier to focus on one skin color, right?.....because no one else matters. Oh well, we're all kind of in the same boat now....we're all slaves. Howdy...brother/sister!
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I think they mean you should put on make up and live as a black for a while ...
I understood that part. What eludes comprehension is why the poster believed that I was making comments on "the excuses" when I actually asking another poster why he or she felt that the only haunting aspect of slavery is that it gets used as an excuse by blacks. Far from commenting on the excuses, I was inquiring why we need to focus exclusively on that aspect as opposed to all the others. Why would I need to be black, or need to disguise myself as black in order to ask that question?
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:38 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Why don't we just let the history of it fade into obscurity? Slavery is not coming back. Why teach generation after generation about how bad the country was 150+ years ago? Why not just have a short period in US history about how certain groups were discriminated against and how far we have come since then and then move on. Why do we have to obsess over something none of us had anything to do with and none of us can do anything about?

All they are doing is filling people's heads with anger and other emotions that are completely useless.

Teach them a vocation or send them to college. Tell them color doesn't matter and they are on their own to make something of their life. Quit stunting people with our guilt.
Translation: Hey, I'm a white guy and discussing slavery is uncomfortable (for me) so why don't we just erase that part of history and skip over that 350 year period of slavery and legal racial discrimination so that I (a white guy) can still believe that white people are perfect and exist without flaws. And let's not forget that "our" needs/wants/desires are superior to any other group and therefore "we" are entitled to not have to ever hear anything that makes "us" uncomfortable about the misdeeds of other whites.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Here's something that bothers me. Why is it, that some black people assume that being born with white skin, meant that they were treated better or had a better life? Many non-black people are descended from slaves, as well. I guess it's simply easier to focus on one skin color, right?.....because no one else matters. Oh well, we're all kind of in the same boat now....we're all slaves. Howdy...brother/sister!
No offense but your question suggests that you have NO idea (or concern) of the amount of racial discrimination that people of African ancestry experience. Even the most highly educated, wealthy, responsible, upstanding citizen of African ancestry has to endure the most ridiculous and petty acts of discrimination on a regular basis.

But since people like yourself will never experience any of this, then you have no need to acknowledge the difference and trivialize the issue.
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Old 11-25-2013, 07:53 AM
 
Location: nyc
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Even to this day, the emotions run very deep. The pain is very real.
And the socio-economic disparities remain.


This is not just the case in the United States--but also in such Latin American countries as Brazil and the Dominican Republic.


Why is this so? Why does slavery still haunt us?
And how can we move forward as a nation?

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How can we move on ? Only time will heal these horrible scars , I fear .

So many things derive from the slavery years .
The slave trade and its' I'm superior to you mentality led to things like this :

Land grabs / lotteries were frequent for U.S. whites and ( white ) war vets and their wives and/ or children . Called 'homesteading ' in most cases . Ended ( for all U.S. war Vets only ) in the U.S. in the mid 1970's

This includes GOLD LAND GRABS in places like Georgia - see Trail of Tears

To have land ownership and to exist in peace was something not granted to ANY people of color in the U.S. for a long time , even in places where slavery didn't happen .
Serious wealth was built on land like this , from gold / minerals to cattle and farming or renting and sales to rail roads , etc. .

Check the history of Chinese miners in the west , who came here in the gold rush years only to be slaughtered and thrown in rivers or left to wild animals after death .

How about the "schools" first nation tribes were forced to endure ? This entailed taking their kids away from them and not letting them speak their language , dressing as whites being beaten / rapes abused and being away from the tribe for years at a time. This ended in THE 1970's ( for Canada & AU )

In America, Canada and Australia a common practice for "the good of the Indians/ Natives" .

We need to remember these times and teach our children ALL U.S. and related history so we never repeat it and not sugar coat it .

To have people in America say that history doesn't matter and that we sweep it under the rug , is not reasonable .

Just ask the First Nation people of the Americas ( or elsewhere ) if they should forget the history of THEIR people

It's gonna take a LOT for America to heal from all this
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