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Old 04-15-2017, 06:44 PM
 
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Just found a good Natgeo article that better explains the walls found in Solnitsata, Burlgaria:

At "Europe's Oldest Town," Unusual Fortifications Hint at Prehistoric Riches

The walls are contemporary with and possibly related to the Varna. Pretty much looks like Varna can comfortably be called the first civilization:

Social Stratification/Ruling class: Evidenced by Varna graves
Architecture: Stone wall capablility
Specialization of labor: copper and gold smelters, pottery
Writing: Vinca Script
Trade networks: copper and salt are known to be traded with Volga and Cyclades
Sciences: Smelting
Agriculture: Known since Vinca times

An Article talking about specialization of labor:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel...rly-180958733/


All those man-hours needed to be organized and ordered. That’s where the man in grave 43 and his fellow one-percenters came in. “We come for the very first time to a crucial point in human history—part of society must work with metal, and others must feed them,” Slavchev says. “That separation has to be ordered and regulated, with somebody assigning roles. The person making decisions has to have a lot of power to keep society separated.”

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Old 04-17-2017, 12:44 PM
 
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Thanks for the interesting update Cachibatches. I checked out the links and thought the information was very interesting. The labor intensive decision to build in stone instead of available wood is fascinating.

Unfortunately, our resident expert on this kind of stuff, "Carpathian" has not been posting lately. I think he would find this very interesting.
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Old 04-25-2017, 08:23 PM
 
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Thanks for the interesting update Cachibatches. I checked out the links and thought the information was very interesting. The labor intensive decision to build in stone instead of available wood is fascinating.

Unfortunately, our resident expert on this kind of stuff, "Carpathian" has not been posting lately. I think he would find this very interesting.
And more still. Similarly antiquated stone buildings found in Durankulak, Bulgaria, though curiously, from a different cluture than the Varna:

The city on the lake








Also,

https://www.archaeological.org/fieldwork/afob/20487
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Old 04-25-2017, 10:39 PM
 
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I'm still awaiting proof of the worlds first humanoid civilization even exists.
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Old 04-25-2017, 10:52 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyIcScftLI4&t=203s

How about a giant wall spanning from pole to pole? With tracks from some enormous machinery working on it? 13 km wide tracks? Will that do as "first" civilization, add giants to that? Or, like one commented, maybe it's just a great seam where two Earth hemispheres were sealed together?
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Old 04-25-2017, 11:09 PM
 
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I'm still awaiting proof of the worlds first humanoid civilization even exists.
So, I presume you mean that even our present-day organization of society and modern triumphs in science and technology fall short of your definition of what "civilization" ought to be? If so, why don't you specify what those shortcomings are? I think I have a good idea what you are going to say, but your explanation would be vastly superior to my speculation. What is the point of posting in riddles?
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Old 04-26-2017, 12:00 AM
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I'm still awaiting proof of the worlds first humanoid civilization even exists.
You have a very non-standard definition of civilization. Probably one that inexplicably rests on some sort of arbitrary moral standard rather than a criteria comprised of organizational features of urban, post-agricultural/sedentary societies.
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