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Old 01-04-2015, 08:09 AM
 
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My stepfather fought in that operation. From what he told me things were going rather well for the Germans in North Africa. And frankly North Africa was a sideshow.
Well, whether you consider it a sideshow or not, it certainly was enough for Germany to have not been able to throw its full strength against Russia.

 
Old 01-04-2015, 10:19 AM
 
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Well, whether you consider it a sideshow or not, it certainly was enough for Germany to have not been able to throw its full strength against Russia.
Around 100,000 Germans and 200,000 Italians were captured at end of the North African campaign!
 
Old 01-04-2015, 11:21 AM
 
Location: North Port, Florida
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O.K. I challenge you. Even if we are not an "exceptional" country where were food rations for 45 million troops to come from? From the small portions of Canada or Australia that are arable? Give me a break.
....ahhhh....you've got me confused with someone else.

I'm not part of the "45 million" discussion.

Mikey
 
Old 01-04-2015, 11:29 AM
 
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Around 100,000 Germans and 200,000 Italians were captured at end of the North African campaign!
Indeed, I doubt those captured, or those doing the capturing, considered it a sideshow
 
Old 01-04-2015, 02:09 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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....ahhhh....you've got me confused with someone else.

I'm not part of the "45 million" discussion.

Mikey
Point being is that significant food rations were needed. The U.S. was about the only country with the agricultural productivity that could make this happen.

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Around 100,000 Germans and 200,000 Italians were captured at end of the North African campaign!
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Indeed, I doubt those captured, or those doing the capturing, considered it a sideshow
The brass rings in the war were Berlin and Tokyo, not Algiers, Tangiers, Rabat and Tunis.
 
Old 01-04-2015, 05:10 PM
 
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Going to sound quite cheap here but, what the heck!

All-in-all, the second world war was (for the allies) was a joint victory that in my opinion, could not of been achieved if all sides did not help each other. In the east, things were certainly looking pretty 'iffy' with the Soviets fighting the Germans and had America or the UK not heavily helped as they did, it's very possible that nobody here would of beat Germany.

Of course with the bombing of pearl harbor that sort of set things in for the Americans to join and pretty much help advance the western front. Needless to say, the RAF did fight vigorously against the Germans and probably could of held out much longer.
 
Old 03-06-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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The defeat of the axis was a joint effort of the British, Soviets and the US. Without one component, it would not have happened.
 
Old 03-06-2015, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Falls Church, Fairfax County
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The defeat of the axis was a joint effort of the British, Soviets and the US. Without one component, it would not have happened.
I am American. I think the Soviets would have done it on their own. I do not think they would have stopped at Germany.
 
Old 03-06-2015, 01:13 PM
 
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I am American. I think the Soviets would have done it on their own. I do not think they would have stopped at Germany.
The thing is Nazi Germany started developing the a-bomb first, if the USA did not participate the war effort, the Nazi's could have had the a-bomb.
 
Old 03-06-2015, 04:29 PM
 
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The thing is Nazi Germany started developing the a-bomb first, if the USA did not participate the war effort, the Nazi's could have had the a-bomb.
Not in any time before the actual ending of the war.
Even assuming they could have developed it, let's say in 1946, it's doubtful, at least, to speculate how and where they would have launched it.
And even with a nuke, the fundamental flaws in German strategy against the USSR remain.
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