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Old 01-09-2014, 10:17 AM
 
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The French Revolution?
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:34 AM
 
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Peasants were generally happy with their lives in the West, until the French Revolution
Yes, which is why there are at least 100 peasant revolts throughout western Europe during the Middle Ages and Renaissance that we are aware of...
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:46 AM
 
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Hello,

Has there ever been a successful revolt by peasants to overthrow their oppressive regimes in the West or Middle East.

I do not count the Moscovites expulsion of the Golden Horde because that was not done by peasants or someone of lowly birth. Or when the Germanic Tribes like the Visigoths rebelled against the Romans. They had help from their lowly servants, but the movement itself was spearheaded by the chiefs.

In China, I believe, both the Han and Ming Dynasties were founded from peasant revolts, and a peasant became the new dictator. And of course they ended back to square one with a brutal regime.

Is the Founding of the USA the only long lasting revolt by the peasants?
Most of the leaders and organizers of the American Revolution were considered anything BUT peasants. Most of them were firmly part of the landowing or mercantile class, the "non-titled" upper class of British society aka the bourgeoisie.

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The French Revolution?
Again, like the American Revolution, the French Revolution was primarily a revolt of the bourgeoisie. In addition the Third Estate had supporters from the clergy (First Estate) and nobility (Second Estate).

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I cannot think of any true "peasant" revolt in the west that was succesful in achieving their stated goal and overthrowing the status quo for anything beyond a temporary time period. However, many of the various revolts did work to change perceptions and measures. The revolts worked to slowly edge the general society away from the fuedal system. In this way, while there were no "succesful" direct peasant revolts, the society eventually evolved to the point where there existed "high class peasants" could form the nucleus of a progressive body actually capable of carrying out a revolution.
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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Yes, which is why there are at least 100 peasant revolts throughout western Europe during the Middle Ages and Renaissance that we are aware of...
I said "most" not "all". Occasional revolts in various places all took place for different reasons,
not in the general sense... and we're looking at a timeframe of what, from the Fall of Rome
to the so-called "Enlightenment" ? Based on the comments here I can see the Masonic
propaganda has whitewashed your (in the plural sense) minds.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:57 AM
 
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I said "most" not "all". Occasional revolts in various places all took place for different reasons,
not in the general sense... and we're looking at a timeframe of what, from the Fall of Rome
to the so-called "Enlightenment" ?
There was general unrest throughout most of Medieval Europe. The revolts really took off in the 1300's following the Black Death. I find it rather amusing that you would insist that the average peasant lived a "happy life". If you're interested, you can always enter serfdom and live under my rule and we can see what a wonderful life it really was...

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Based on the comments here I can see the Masonic
propaganda has whitewashed your (in the plural sense) minds.
I love it when you spit out these little nuggets...

Who controls the British crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We do, we do!
Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We do, we do!
Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We do, we do!
Who robs cavefish of their sight? Who rigs every Oscar night? We do, we do, we do!'

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Old 01-09-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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pah-leeze. if there was an equivalent of the Black Plague over
this country right now, "unrest" would be an understatement.
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Old 01-09-2014, 01:19 PM
 
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pah-leeze. if there was an equivalent of the Black Plague over
this country right now, "unrest" would be an understatement.
...and what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

The Black Death was probably one of the greatest impetus' for political and social change in the Medieval world. Black Death started in 1348...

List of peasant revolts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-09-2014, 01:30 PM
 
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In China, I believe, both the Han and Ming Dynasties were founded from peasant revolts, and a peasant became the new dictator. And of course they ended back to square one with a brutal regime.
I think with the bolded above, you've pretty much answered your own question.
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Old 01-09-2014, 02:21 PM
 
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Hello,

Has there ever been a successful revolt by peasants to overthrow their oppressive regimes in the West or Middle East.

I do not count the Moscovites expulsion of the Golden Horde because that was not done by peasants or someone of lowly birth. Or when the Germanic Tribes like the Visigoths rebelled against the Romans. They had help from their lowly servants, but the movement itself was spearheaded by the chiefs.

In China, I believe, both the Han and Ming Dynasties were founded from peasant revolts, and a peasant became the new dictator. And of course they ended back to square one with a brutal regime.

Is the Founding of the USA the only long lasting revolt by the peasants?
Ummm, history lesson number one...the American Revolution was ANYTHING BUT a "revolt by the peasants"

Fully two thirds of colonists opposed it when it started...and it was the wealthy landowners who started it - you'll find their names on the Declaration.
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Old 01-09-2014, 02:25 PM
 
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...and what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

The Black Death was probably one of the greatest impetus' for political and social change in the Medieval world. Black Death started in 1348...

List of peasant revolts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Black Death also reared it's ugly head in many times and places as recently as the mid 1600's.
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