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I always thought that idea Jesus was a hoax was a kooky theory but Richard Carrier makes a great point for it. He says that of all the authentic letters we know Paul wrote, in none of them does he cite anything but scripture and his "revelations" or hallucinations. Never does he claim to meet any real life people who knew Jesus in any of them!
He also makes the case that Jesus followed a pattern of a lot of similar Hellenistic deities around the same era and that the Gospels came late and seem to be purely fabrication. There was also an entity called Jesus attested to as early as AD 40 that was a celestial savior who was crucified not in Palestine but rather in outer space.
Carrier's theory is that Jesus was believed by Paul to be a mythical God and that the Gospels were written decades later in an attempt to place him into history, much like Greek authors rewrote Zeus etc to have lived on earth as mortal kings later in antiquity when originally they were always seen as celestial beings.
The argument against Carrier seems to be mostly based on the "principle of embarassment" - ie the fact Jesus has such an ordinary first name, the fact he was from Nazareth instead of Bethlelem, that he was crucified, etc. My argument against that in favor of the mythicists is that if they were writing a fiction these "embarassments" and tension would make the story far more interesting to readers.
There was also an entity called Jesus attested to as early as AD 40 that was a celestial savior who was crucified not in Palestine but rather in outer space.
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Do you have more details on this story? You've set my imagination to work. Are we talking an immensely tall cross that reached from earth past the atmosphere, or are we talking some sort of trip into outer space where the execution was conducted?
Also...wouldn't zero gravity negate the entire force behind crucifixion? Death is the result of suffocation when the body is no longer able to pull itself up in order to get a breath. Zero G's, no sag, no suffocation.
Do you have more details on this story? You've set my imagination to work. Are we talking an immensely tall cross that reached from earth past the atmosphere, or are we talking some sort of trip into outer space where the execution was conducted?
Also...wouldn't zero gravity negate the entire force behind crucifixion? Death is the result of suffocation when the body is no longer able to pull itself up in order to get a breath. Zero G's, no sag, no suffocation.
I don't really know the details.
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Do you have more details on this story?
I believe he mentions Philo who told of a Jewish celestial being called 'Jesus' that had 4 attributes that you can find in Paul's writings. Later he mentions the ascension of Isaiah.
The Philo part is around the 22 minute mark - but you should watch the beginning for the background of similar synergistic elements of Hellenistic and Near East religions including his focus Judaism/Hellenism.
It would probably help if the OP knew that the guy in the video has also stated it's just a THEORY of his and hasn't withstood any peer review.
One theory of hundreds that are out there. I have personally always taken the historicity of Jesus to be almost a given. The divinity, well, let's just say I have my doubts. The more time you spend studying the Bible, the book, the more you realize how heavily it was influenced by and borrowed from other sources. It's more an amalgamation with a twist then anything original.
One theory of hundreds that are out there. I have personally always taken the historicity of Jesus to be almost a given. The divinity, well, let's just say I have my doubts. The more time you spend studying the Bible, the book, the more you realize how heavily it was influenced by and borrowed from other sources. It's more an amalgamation with a twist then anything original.
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This really depends on what one means by 'Jesus'.
The Jesus of the Bible? I agree that person did not exist.
Some first-century figure of some prominence upon whom a great deal of myth was overlaid? That person probably existed.
You always thought it was a hoax, and now a YouTube video has convinced you?
Have you ever READ anything about this?
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