Hitler vs Stalin (Who was worse)? (ancient, colonies, economic, Japanese)
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Right, just an excuse considering communist revolutionaries were attempting to take over Germany, not to mention the Germans were aware of how the communists were treating the populations over whom they ruled in Hungary, Ukraine, and so on (you know, with death), and didn't want that happening to them. Ever hear of Rosa Luxemburg?
That is actually quite correct.
NAZI is twisted acronim, twisted in perception of what it stands for. NSDAP= NAZIonal Socialistiche Deutche Arbeite Partei. National Socialist German Workers Party.
Media took NAZI and turned it into some sort of political slur, just like eons knows sign of son and light, swastika, became a devil's sign.
Both Nazi-s and Bolsheviks were birds of the same bread - rooted in Judeo Communist idea, developed by Mr-s Marx and Engels, both quite rich capitalists themselves.
For few years right after WWI and before WWII, them German and Russian socialists got along just fine, parading and drinking schnaps and champagne together.
But of course, both countries minded their own interests, and when pressed for natural resources to ensure its prosperity, and to satisfy those who paid for their coming to power, Germany made its decision.
1922-1939 -- Stalin
1939-1945 -- Hitler
1945-1952 -- Stalin
The difference, of course lies in two basic things. First, Stalin didn't really heave Soviet armies across Europe on a lemming-like to conquer the world. Second, Stalin didn't try to wipe out an entire race of people. He just murdered people who stood in his way.
1922-1939 -- Stalin
1939-1945 -- Hitler
1945-1952 -- Stalin
The difference, of course lies in two basic things. First, Stalin didn't really heave Soviet armies across Europe on a lemming-like to conquer the world.
Oh yeah? If he didn't heave his henchmen around Europe, then what explains the brutality inflicted on MILLIONS of the Estonians, Lithuanians, Poles, Serbs, and so on?
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Second, Stalin didn't try to wipe out an entire race of people. He just murdered people who stood in his way.
Ever heard of the Doctor's Plot? Stalin planned to wipe out every Jew in the Soviet Union in the early 1950's.
Right, just an excuse considering communist revolutionaries were attempting to take over Germany, not to mention the Germans were aware of how the communists were treating the populations over whom they ruled in Hungary, Ukraine, and so on (you know, with death), and didn't want that happening to them. Ever hear of Rosa Luxemburg?
Rosa Luxemburg died in 1919. By 1939 communists had absolutely no power in Germany. Hungary was ruled by a fascist regime by the time World War II started.
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They didn't kill off every Jew they could find.
Well, they killed the vast majority of them they could find. It's true Jews in Germany who were married to "Aryans" were exempt, but in the overwhelming majority of cases they did kill them.
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Yeah, where in the book does he say that? I'd like to see it. If in the book he says that, I will stand corrected.
I didn't keep the copy of Mein Kampf which I got from the library, so I can't give the exact page. I don't really want to keep trash like that in my home, no offense.
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And what German of good character had to fear for their lives in NS Germany?
Well gee, how about Jews (oh I guess they're not German) or leftists (I guess they're not Germans either) or gays (I don't even want to guess what you think of them). And of course only Germans matter.
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As said, not every white person has blonde hair and blue eyes, so what does this have to do with anything?
It shows the hypocrisy of the whole Nazi mentality. Basing "racial superiority" on meaningless physical characteristics. A few genes determine blondness and so on, and are not really that indicative of one's ethnic background. But they were obsessed with these things.
Aryan is another word for Indo-European, and all those men you mention are White/European. You would be correct if you said they didn't appear Nordic. There are several racial groups within the white race, Alpine, Nordic, Mediterranean, Dinaric, and East Baltic.
Goebbels was a mediterranean type, Hitler part Nordic, part Alpine. The whole outdated thing of, "They wanted everyone to be blonde and blue eyed" is laughable and Hitler never mentioned any of that crap either. Much of the Nazi leadership was not fully Nordic.
The other myth tied to this is the anti-Slav myth, another particularly laughable one considering many high ranking Nazis had Slavic last names, such as Radziej, Zalewski, Chmelewski, Rendulic, Polewacz, and so on.
Of course some Jews are blonde; many are part white.
While a few Polish and other slavic people were allowed to be officially considered to be "Aryan" these people were by far the exception. The Polish last names are often from distant ancestry. There was a *lot* of hypocrisy in these situations. There were even quite a few people who were partly Jewish who were part of the Nazi war machine. Check out Erhard Milch. He was 1/2 Jewish and was so high up in the hierarchy he was actually tried and convicted at Nuremburg.
I'm not sure what part white means here.. Jews are Caucasian and have white skin. But blond hair is rare outside northern Europe which means it's possible some Jewish people have more northern European ancestry than people like Goebbels.
To be fair, he did say almost 100% of European Jewry who didn't emigrate prior to 1939. While this is inaccurate, the overwhelming majority of the Jews under Nazi control were indeed killed during the Holocaust.
Rather than hammering away fruitlessly at this question over and over, why do we not expand the general category to a larger game of wretched historical relativity?
Who was worse? Hitler or Himmler?
Who was worse? Stalin or Beria?
Who was worse? Charles Manson or Ted Bundy?
I think it best to stick to comparing chronological contemporaries, it could get difficult trying to figure out if Cardinal Richelieu was worse than say Strom Thurmond, but that still leaves us with a large pool.
Maybe we could organize a tournament to determine a champion. We should start seeding the competitors now.
Round One could feature:
Idi Amin vs Fidel Castro
Maximilien de Robespierre vs Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
Pretty Boy Floyd vs Machine Gun Kelly
...but I shouldn't be making all the suggestions. Who else has some suggested pairings?
Ever heard of the Doctor's Plot? Stalin planned to wipe out every Jew in the Soviet Union in the early 1950's.
Yes, I did, and I am honestly not sure that he planned to wipe out every Jew, or even most Jews, in the USSR. Had Stalin lived longer, I could see him deporting many/most Soviet Jews to the Jewish Autonomous Oblast; while many Jews would die there afterwards, a majority of Soviet Jews would probably survive this deportation (after all, didn't a majority of Koreans, Crimean Tatars, et cetera survive their deportations under Stalin?).
..The difference, of course lies in two basic things. First, Stalin didn't really heave Soviet armies across Europe on a lemming-like to conquer the world. Second, Stalin didn't try to wipe out an entire race of people. He just murdered people who stood in his way.
Hitler had some spectacular objectives, which included the extermination of all those who he adjudged in his perverted ideology to be "subhuman". This included all Slavic peoples.
Stalin eliminated anyone, any group or any community that he imagined was an threat to himself or his objectives. Because he was very paranoid, that amounted to an awful lot of people.
But ultimately the idea that one murderous tyrannical regime was worse than another is an abstraction. What really matters is that most of the 20th century was characterised by an ultimately successful, though horrendously costly, life-or-death, worldwide struggle for the primacy of the principles underlying western democratic philosophy.
To me, one of the greatest expressions of this philosophy was contained in the final phrase of Lincoln's magnificent Gettysburg Address.
Hitler had some spectacular objectives, which included the extermination of all those who he adjudged in his perverted ideology to be "subhuman". This included all Slavic peoples.
Quite strange considering his chauffeur, Erich Kempka, was Ruhr-Polish, as was his secretary Gerda Daranowski. According to this logic, he shared his private life on a daily basis with people he considered subhuman, not to mention other high ranking Germans of Slavic ancestry, and the thousands of Slavs who served in the SS. Odd that he wanted to murder Slavs but would waste time, money, and manpower on arming them, training them, and educating them, or in allowing his Germans to mate and socialize with them.
Odd that there were so many Germans who achieved high rank in the Reich with Slavic, subhuman ancestry: Rendulic, Grislwaski, Polewacz, Pawel, Rendulic, Radziej, Dybilasz, Globocnik, and so on.
Odd that he allied himself with Serbia, Bulgaria, and Croatia if he wanted to lay waste to all Slavs.
Odd his childhood close friend had a Slavic last name: Kubizek.
Can someone do some explaining?
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