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Old 03-01-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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How prominent a role did the Ukraine, and Ukrainians play in the running of the Soviet Regime, and October Revolutions?

I ask in the wake of Putin using military forces in Ukraine. It makes Ukraine seem pretty weak. They have a large land mass, yet they seem to be under populated compared to other countries in Europe, and even Russia Proper. It even has a more mild climate than harsh Russia, if only by a little bit.

The original leaders like Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin were not even ethnic Russians. But since the collapse of the Soviet Regime, it seems like the ethnic Russians are the ones that inherited the old skool toughness, and resolve, the soviets are known for from fighting off Hitler, to the Cold War, and through the Soviet Afghan War.
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Old 03-01-2014, 03:25 PM
 
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Not sure, considering under Stalin's rule, an estimated seven million Ukrainians starved to death in a FORCED famine.
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Old 03-03-2014, 12:18 AM
 
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Well, Krushchev was Ukranian, and as Stalin's successor, he did usher in de-Stalinization.
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Old 03-03-2014, 01:05 AM
 
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Why does it make Ukraine look weak? There are alot of dynamics you (And I) don't completely understand. Kiev was supposedly the birthplace of Russia. After Mongols burned it to the ground, the Capital was moved to Moscow.
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:12 PM
 
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Why does it make Ukraine look weak? There are alot of dynamics you (And I) don't completely understand. Kiev was supposedly the birthplace of Russia. After Mongols burned it to the ground, the Capital was moved to Moscow.
They just lost the Crimea. I dont think they even put up a fight. Why is the debating over forging closer ties to Russian or Western Europe so heated, and so politically charging. They really should not sweat over it. They have a large landmass, not that high a population compared to the Euro countries. And hopefully, if the soviet regime has done one good thing, they have a well educated populace. Heck, why cant they do business with both? It seems like Russia or Western Europe is demanding they cut ties with the other. They are in perfect position to reap the benefits of both places, and in fact should be a broker between Russia and Western Europe.
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Old 03-04-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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They just lost the Crimea. I dont think they even put up a fight. Why is the debating over forging closer ties to Russian or Western Europe so heated, and so politically charging. They really should not sweat over it. They have a large landmass, not that high a population compared to the Euro countries. And hopefully, if the soviet regime has done one good thing, they have a well educated populace. Heck, why cant they do business with both? It seems like Russia or Western Europe is demanding they cut ties with the other. They are in perfect position to reap the benefits of both places, and in fact should be a broker between Russia and Western Europe.
takes power to do that (to me) and singularity of purpose and I don't think they have that.

The leader would have to face the angry bear to the east while cultivating good arrangements to the west, maybe even appeasing both. Hard to do.
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:15 PM
 
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How prominent a role did the Ukraine, and Ukrainians play in the running of the Soviet Regime, and October Revolutions?

I ask in the wake of Putin using military forces in Ukraine. It makes Ukraine seem pretty weak. They have a large land mass, yet they seem to be under populated compared to other countries in Europe, and even Russia Proper. It even has a more mild climate than harsh Russia, if only by a little bit.

The original leaders like Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin were not even ethnic Russians. But since the collapse of the Soviet Regime, it seems like the ethnic Russians are the ones that inherited the old skool toughness, and resolve, the soviets are known for from fighting off Hitler, to the Cold War, and through the Soviet Afghan War.
You might find this video interesting. ( That's Kiev in 2007.)


Октябрьская революция - 2007, Киев (Украина) - YouTube


From what I remember, Ukrainians played prominent role in both, but that is if we are talking mainly Central and particularly Eastern part of Ukraine, that traditionally had strong industrial base.
West Ukraine went its own separate way after the revolution in Russia.
Overall Ukraine in its current borders has been created by Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev.
In 1919 those industrial regions of Eastern Ukraine petitioned to be included in Russian Federation, but their request has been declined by Lenin, who wanted to keep them in Ukraine, otherwise ( according to his words) Ukraine wouldn't have been able to develop its own industrial base without those regions. Then Stalin took over the western territories in 1939 and added them to Ukraine, and plus Krushev transeferred Crimea to Ukraine in... 1953?
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Old 03-05-2014, 09:47 PM
 
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Well, Krushchev was Ukranian, and as Stalin's successor, he did usher in de-Stalinization.

No, Khrushchev was ethnic Russian, ( born in area close to Ukraine,) but he spent a lot of time in Ukraine, since Stalin sent him there to work.
Brezhnev on another hand was born in Ukraine and his papers would state his nationality interchangeably - Russian or Ukrainian.
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