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Old 03-22-2014, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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How big a commitment do you want?
An attack on Germany in September 1939.
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Old 03-22-2014, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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The Japanese would never have launched an attack on the British Empire just to join in.
I agree, they attacked because British and American interests stood in the road of their imperial ambitions.
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Old 03-22-2014, 10:53 PM
 
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Personally I think that the US is built for a conventional conflict like this. The reason we struggle with conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan is because they are irregular conflicts where a political outcome (setting up a new stable government) is a higher priority than a military outcome (killing as many of the enemy as possible). Those conflicts are also made difficult because it's hard to differentiate between the enemy and civilians; the enemy often hides among those who we are trying to protect and sometimes originates from them as well. Whereas in a conflict against Russia, political concerns are thrown aside as all American firepower can be brought to bear against enemies who are in uniform and are easy to identify. The US military is built for conventional conflicts like the hypothetical one being discussed here.
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Old 03-23-2014, 01:37 AM
 
Location: London
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An attack on Germany in September 1939.
Exactly. Immediately the Royal Navy engaged German ships imposing a blockade of Germany, and the RAF started bombing. French forces moved into Germany. You never got the point. If Germany invaded Poland they faced the UK and France in all out war, irrespective if they could or not help the Poles directly in Sept 1939. Declaring all out war is one MASSIVE commitment. The ultimate commitment. The Royal Navy blockade of Germany was the most understated and most effective military campaign of WW2. It went from the first day to the last day. It starved Germany of food and essential raw materials. Get to know about the economic aspect of WW2.

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Old 03-23-2014, 01:41 AM
 
Location: London
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I agree, they attacked because British and American interests stood in the road of their imperial ambitions.
Ultimately British and American interests stood in the road of Japanese imperial ambitions. But to declare war at that time, they thought the USSR was to fall and the northern front would be free of a Soviet army. The Kantung army was nearly a million strong all through WW2, facing the USSR. They thought that army could be released. It was not. Then there was no Germany to help them and they were in a position they dreaded and did not want - facing the UK and USA all alone. It was a terrible misjudgement by Japan to attack the UK and USA at that point.

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Old 03-23-2014, 01:46 AM
 
Location: London
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Phoney War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Britain egged Poland on to decline Hitler's offer of alliance. Poland planned their defense under negotiations made with France/UK.

I'd say empty words doesn't quality as a commitment.
The UK and France declared all out war on Germany. There is no bigger commitment.
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Old 03-23-2014, 01:56 AM
 
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The UK and France declared all out war on Germany. There is no bigger commitment.
For the cowardly Westerners, sure.
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Old 03-23-2014, 02:03 AM
 
Location: London
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For the cowardly Westerners, sure.
Can you name me a bigger commitment?
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Old 03-23-2014, 02:32 AM
 
Location: West Phoenix
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no, because no one in this country has the backbone to see it thru to the end, they want a quick war so they can go back to doing nothing. The last time this country stood up as one and stayed the course was in WWII.
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Old 03-23-2014, 05:35 AM
 
Location: London
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Wars are rather silly things. All are avoidable.
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