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Old 03-22-2014, 07:50 PM
 
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As I already posted, no serious WWII historian believes that figure. Look at BugsyPal's list, it's a who's who of rense and other less-than-serious aggregators.

And if you don't think there was a food shortage in Europe in 1945, you seriously need to hit the books.

There was an initial food shortage but the Allies were at the cause of much of it out of fears of "revolt" or some such nonsense: Disarmed Enemy Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:01 PM
 
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There was an initial food shortage but the Allies were at the cause of much of it out of fears of "revolt" or some such nonsense: Disarmed Enemy Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So there was a food shortage. Glad we agree. The Allies had a hard time feeding displaced persons and civilians at a non-starvation rate. So - the prisoners in the Rheinwiesenlagern had to make do with a rate comparable to what the displaced persons had to make do with. Still doesn't make the case for the 1 million deaths.
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:03 PM
 
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So there was a food shortage. Glad we agree. The Allies had a hard time feeding displaced persons and civilians at a non-starvation rate. So - the prisoners in the Rheinwiesenlagern had to make do with a rate comparable to what the displaced persons had to make do with. Still doesn't make the case for the 1 million deaths.
If there is a "shortage" of food why turn away supplies/offers of assistance from local sources close to affected area (Germany).
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:07 PM
 
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it was Eisenhower who "hated" the Germans that changed the designation of POWs in Germany to "Disarmed Enemy Forces". That move in one stroke removed the thousands of German military men and women from being covered under the Geneva Convention. This meant among other things how they were housed and other "rights" including to a certain ration of food could be cut or eliminated.
Yes. Under the GC, POWs should be fed like the troops of the detaining force. Which would mean that surrendered German troops would eat considerably better than displaced persons or German civilians. Doesn't seem quite right, does it?
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:09 PM
 
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If there is a "shortage" of food why turn away supplies/offers of assistance from local sources close to affected area (Germany).
That may be the one criminal action you can hang your hat on. And it still doesn't provide evidence of 1 million deaths.

Were the Allies angels? No. Did one million surrendered Germans perish as a result of Eisenhower's orders? Also no.
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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Some of the best material I've read on life in Post - WW II Germany came from Lucius D Clay: An American Life -- a biography of the general who succeeded Eisenhower as Military Governor of Occupied Germany. Have yet to find anything similar regarding George Marshall, but it's probably out there.

Let it suffice for now to say that very few starved, but very few lived well under the conditions at the time.

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This. I suspect there will be some somber ceremonies on armistice day in 2018, but the modern German knows enough of war to not really be enthusiastic about the start of one.
Heartily Agree! And hopefully, the events in Europe 1914-1945 will come to be viewed more as a unified, two-act tragedy as time passes and specific advocacies recede.

With regard to conditions during and after World War I, a study of the role of Herbert Hoover and the United States Relief Administration might be in order

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Old 03-22-2014, 08:26 PM
 
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Hitler was bad, but Stalin was worse. I don't see why it's a big deal. America did the trail of tears and the bombing of Japan. Italy had Rome which had one of the most gruesome practices in history - crucifixion, and people were crucified for simple things just to send a message of fear to make people submit. The Netherlands had the Vikings, one of the cruelest and most barbaric people. The UK has been so Oppressive that an entire country was created just to get away from them. Africa is probably the worst, they still continue today to murder and oppress their innocents (excepting North Korea but last I checked I don't know any North Koreans or people with North Korean heritage).

Most major countries had some horrible dictator or group to be ashamed of. Some that make Hitler look like a saint. Most people choose to forget the dark part of their heritage. Especially since it is in the past and it wasn't people TODAY who did it. It was other people who died long ago.
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Old 03-22-2014, 08:37 PM
 
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That may be the one criminal action you can hang your hat on. And it still doesn't provide evidence of 1 million deaths.

Were the Allies angels? No. Did one million surrendered Germans perish as a result of Eisenhower's orders? Also no.
The Trillion Dollar Lie- The Holocaust: The Lies of the "Death Camps," the ... - Gyeorgos C. Hatonn - Google Books
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Old 03-23-2014, 02:44 AM
 
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Is this a book whose contents deny the Holocaust?
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:53 AM
 
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Why would Germany wish to celebrate the anniversary of a war which they not only lost, but was also the prime cause of their starting WW II, which they also lost, becoming international pariahs in the process?

This August will mark the 40th anniversary of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, when Congress handed LBJ a blank check to escalate in Vietnam. Think we will be celebrating that?
They should remember the causes of WW1 and not repeat their and other countries mistakes. A ceremony can include that. All countries including ours can learn that. There is no need to not visit the war dead. That is taking it a step too far.

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