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Old 04-28-2014, 03:09 PM
 
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Things like great floods, burning bushes and parting seas we know are not true because they are physically impossible.
millions of people through untold generations believed in them.
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Old 04-28-2014, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Penna
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They all shared one trait, the humane race....
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Old 04-29-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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It is, however, interesting to note the relationships of all the ancient religions in the Middle East. The Christian 'last judgment' is straight out of the myth of Osiris. Substantial portions of the Psalms are translations of hymns to other gods, with a few name changes. The veneration of Mary as Queen of Heaven is an adaptation of the worship of Isis. Heaven and Hell, and the God/Satan dualism are straight out of Zoroastrianism.

Whole volumes have been written on the supernatural stew that was the ancient Middle East.
Interesting that the Hellenic "Enlightenment" occurred around the Late Dynastic Period in Nile history.

There was also a Jewish colony at Elephantine Island around this time.

Manetho wrote during the time Ptolemy requested Jewish scholars to record the Septuagint/LXX as well, plus Josephus lived around the time of Strabo, Diodorus and Pliny.

The Jewish and Hellenistic traditions were being composed during the same time period and in similar cultural mileus, that's why I said one shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
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Old 04-29-2014, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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Moses died around 2400 BCE and he wrote the "Five Books of Moses" otherwise known as the Torah. Thus making the Torah 4400 years old and not 2700 years old. As to the OP, they are all Asian (or commonly known as Mizrahi).
That was a heck of a trick, considering the biblical Hebrew didn't exist more than about 2700 years ago. There are portions of Exodus 15 (the Song of Moses) that was written in Paleo-Hebrew that may be a couple centuries older. Prior to that, Hebrew and Canaanite were the same language, and the written language was crude pictograms.

Most scholars agree that the Torah was edited into its final form during the reign of King Josiah around 650 bc. The book of Deuteronomy did not exist before that time, and reflected religious reforms instituted by Josiah, some of which conflicted with earlier practices.
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Old 04-29-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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That was a heck of a trick, considering the biblical Hebrew didn't exist more than about 2700 years ago.
But Aramaic did. And I'm guessing that you don't know that the words currently written in Hebrew in the Torah are Aramaic words. Many of the words used in the Torah are not used in conversational Hebrew.
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Old 04-29-2014, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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But Aramaic did. And I'm guessing that you don't know that the words currently written in Hebrew in the Torah are Aramaic words. Many of the words used in the Torah are not used in conversational Hebrew.
Aramaic developed as a language at about the same time as paleo-Hebrew. They are closely related, since are both Northern Semitic languages. It's not surprising if some Aramaic words found their way into the Torah, though it did not become the language of the Jews until the Babylonian captivity.

Conversational Hebrew is not biblical Hebrew. Hebrew was a dead language for centuries, studied by no one but scholars. It was re-created by the Zionist movement, with 20th century embellishments.
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Old 04-29-2014, 07:10 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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That was a heck of a trick, considering the biblical Hebrew didn't exist more than about 2700 years ago.
I stand corrected by about a 1000 years. Moses was born in 1400 BCE. So lets say he passed on his version to Joshua in 1300 BCE in whatever language it was written (which may have been in Egyptian which dates back to 3400 BCE). So it still makes it older then you specified which corrected is 3300ish years ago.

Judaism 101: Moses, Aaron and Miriam
Egyptian language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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