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Old 10-14-2014, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Central Nebraska
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Lets hear from some of you scholars out there. Ive read both sides with one side saying it is pure myth and the other side claiming it is true, but without any proof. Back in the 1980s some people were saying that Europeans were the lost tribes. That seems(seemed) a bit foolish since European ancestry can be traced back to northern Europe for thousands of years and the lost tribes were from the middle-east. Others were claiming that the arabs are descended from the lost tribes. A lot of speculation with no proof.
The Bible is as good a "proof" as any other document of that time, and it says the Kigdom of Isarel was deported. It was composed of the ten northern tribes who seceeded when king Rehoboam attempted to raise taxes. They stoned his tax collector and rallied around Jeroboam. There was animosity between the two kingdoms for the next century or two, after which they decided to let the past be the past. By the way, the kigdom of Judah was comprised of four tribes: Judah and Benjamain, but also Simeon--whose inheritence fell within the territory of Judah--and Levi which was the tribe of the priest class and they were unemployed up north as Jeroboam had established a new religion with new priests.

Now as for the British-Israelite Theory, that goes back a LOT longer than the 1980s, a couple of centuries at least. It's "proof" is that a number of European place names appear similar to Hebrew. Most commonly cited is that Danzig (now Gdansk) is "proof" that the tribe of Dan must have lived there. "Dan" is such a common place name one could argue that "Sudan" must be descended from Dan and there are so many "Dans", "Tans", Dangs" and "Tangs" that one could argue that China must be descended from the tribe of Dan and in fact the whole world probably is. (Dan was one of the smallest tribes.) The only churches that I am aware of that have accepted this we're-physical-descendants-of-Israel theory are the Mormons, Garner Ted Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God, and an offshoot of Seventh-day Adventism that the Seventh-day Adventists had always known as "Shepherd's Rods" till they suddenly burst on the news as "Branch Davidians" down in Waco, Texas a few years ago. The "Rods" were kicked out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church back in the 1930s in part over this very theory. The discredited Immanuel Velakovski was, I think, another devotee of the Brithish-Israelite theory back in the 1930s-1950s. So it goes back a lot longer than the 1980s.

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Old 10-14-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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People need to remember that Ashkenazi Jews intermixed heavily with Northern Europeans as Sephardic Jews interrmarried with Southern Europeans and North Africans. So their features changed. But Jews from the Middle East whose lines have been there for ever still look just like other Middle Easterners.

There is no Jewish gene. There is the Cohen Gene.

The Cohen Modal Haplotype is found among many Jewish populations of the world, including Ashkenazim, Sephardim, and the Bene Israel of India.

The Cohen Modal Haplotype, which belongs to haplogroup J, was a component of the ancient Israelite population, and especially common among the Cohens (priests of the Temple in Jerusalem).

The Cohen Modal Haplotype is not exclusively found among Jews, but rather is also found among Kurds, Armenians, Italians, Palestinians, Arabs, and a few other peoples.

About half of Ashkenazic Levites possess Eastern European non-Israelite haplotypes belonging to the R1a1 haplogroup. This is almost never found among Sephardic Levites, and may have been introduced into the Ashkenazic Levite lines by Slavs or Khazars who converted to Judaism.
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Old 10-15-2014, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Peterborough, England
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The Bible is as good a "proof" as any other document of that time, and it says the Kigdom of Isarel was deported. It was composed of the ten northern tribes who seceeded when king Rehoboam attempted to raise taxes. They stoned his tax collector and rallied around Jeroboam. There was animosity between the two kingdoms for the next century or two, after which they decided to let the past be the past. By the way, the kigdom of Judah was comprised of four tribes: Judah and Benjamain, but also Simeon--whose inheritence fell within the territory of Judah--and Levi which was the tribe of the priest class and they were unemployed up north as Jeroboam had established a new religion with new priests.

Now as for the British-Israelite Theory, that goes back a LOT longer than the 1980s, a couple of centuries at least. It's "proof" is that a number of European place names appear similar to Hebrew. Most commonly cited is that Danzig (now Gdansk) is "proof" that the tribe of Dan must have lived there. "Dan" is such a common place name one could argue that "Sudan" must be descended from Dan and there are so many "Dans", "Tans", Dangs" and "Tangs" that one could argue that China must be descended from the tribe of Dan and in fact the whole world probably is. (Dan was one of the smallest tribes.) The only churches that I am aware of that have accepted this we're-physical-descendants-of-Israel theory are the Mormons, Garner Ted Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God, and an offshoot of Seventh-day Adventism that the Seventh-day Adventists had always known as "Shepherd's Rods" till they suddenly burst on the news as "Branch Davidians" down in Waco, Texas a few years ago. The "Rods" were kicked out of the Seventh-day Adventist Church back in the 1930s in part over this very theory. The discredited Immanuel Velakovski was, I think, another devotee of the Brithish-Israelite theory back in the 1930s-1950s. So it goes back a lot longer than the 1980s.

Admiral Sir John Fisher was a British Israelite, and iirc believed that this descent ensured that we would win WW1.
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Old 10-20-2014, 03:54 PM
 
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10 lost tribes of Israel---fact or fiction

Josephus wrote that the Samaritans and if memory serves me correct, the Babylonians and/or Chaldeans were kindred with the Jews.

I believe the Samaritans are still in existence as an ethno-religious group and they have texts that have been translated.
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:19 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Arabs are descendants of Abraham. Well, not him directly, but his son.

Ishmael
Prophet
Ishmael is a figure in the Hebrew Bible and the Qur'an, and was Abraham's first son according to Jews, Christians and Muslims. Ishmael was born of Abraham's marriage to Sarah's handmaiden Hagar.
According both Jewish and Christian traditions Hagar was never Abraham's wife. Sarah was his wife and Hagar, an Egyptian, was Sarah's maid servant and became Abraham's concubine.
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY.
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True! It will be interesting if we can find all the lost tribes and reunite them back.
Cool idea. Just make sure to include the Khazars who converted to Judaism... thus, explaining the large numbers of "Jews" in Europe and Central Asia.
Oh, and the so-called "Falashas" of Africa(Ethiopia); and the Sephardim who ran off to South America; and the Jews in Siberia who evacuated from Ukraine during WWII.
And the Chinese and Indian Jews too.

Oh, and since haredi Jews dont get along with secular Jews even in Israel, your task would be hard to accomplish.
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Old 10-26-2014, 09:42 AM
 
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It has been said that the African Diaspora (by way of the slave trades) are the people who make up the lost tribes, of course I was skeptical at first when I heard of it, but I'm seeing more and more of this to be evident. Literally everything points to the Diaspora as being Moses's people. I'll make a more detailed post and provide links later on, maybe...


EDIT: Just the tip of the tip of the iceberg
Of course I would love to believe this because this would explain a lot, but it sounds as silly as Europeans being the 12 lost tribes. Can you message me with your theory?

The 12 lost tribes are hopefully of middle eastern descent.
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Old 10-27-2014, 07:52 PM
 
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Cool idea. Just make sure to include the Khazars who converted to Judaism... thus, explaining the large numbers of "Jews" in Europe and Central Asia.
Oh, and the so-called "Falashas" of Africa(Ethiopia); and the Sephardim who ran off to South America; and the Jews in Siberia who evacuated from Ukraine during WWII.
And the Chinese and Indian Jews too.

Oh, and since haredi Jews dont get along with secular Jews even in Israel, your task would be hard to accomplish.
LOL! Hah, hmm based on what you have said here, I guess either way the Jews are doomed and self destructive or will self destruct. Damned if you do and damned if you don't! Lol ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If only we could just know who are the descendants of the Lost Tribes Of Israel and where they are and locate them.

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Old 10-28-2014, 12:17 PM
 
Location: City of North Las Vegas, NV
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even heard that the european countries with royal "blue" blood (kings and queens) are descendants of those tribes.
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