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Old 06-23-2014, 07:59 PM
 
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That was about it until the USN started getting involved in convoy duties pre Dec 1941. The US was just rattling tills.
The rust buckets were left on quays or at anchor, a few were put to service and one or two given to the USSR. To get these antiquated ships in order would take valuable shipyard skills needed elsewhere.

They should have given the materials for NOTHING. Most was raw materials not finished goods. The UK was doing the fighting for the US with their materials (the US president even said so) and they were charging for it.

In France they never. When the forward French capitulated the small British BEF made a retreat, they had to, that is not being banged about. The British counter attacked at Arras stopping the German advance - Rommel thought he had been hit by three times as many troops as hit him. In North Africa it was too-ing and fro-ing. The Brits were banging the Germans about just as much. Only in Greece did the Germans overwhelm the British forces, but having about a million German and Italian troops to the small British forces made a big difference. In Crete the British decimated the German parachute units, so much that the Germans never used them ever again for fear of another repeat.

I only go by fact, not opinion.

It can be viewed the USA cajoled the Japanese to attack. The Brits were dragged into that. The facts are the economies of the British Empire and the USSR were much larger than Germany's. Industrial output was more. The USSR out produced the USA in arms in 1942. The Germans were stopped at Moscow in the east (the Brits provided 40% of the tanks) and stopped in the west by the British. The Germans were going nowhere as the USA entered the war. The RN blockade of Germany was highly effective starving Germany and its conquered countries of animal and human food, oil, rubber (Germany was considering de-motorizing due to rubber shortages) and just about every other vital resource. The Germans never had enough oil for what was left of their surface navy. It silently retired.

Stop making things up. The British Empire could have raised 45 million troops in WWII for sure. It was equipping them that was the problem. The same problem non-industrialized China had. The British Empire covered about a third of the world's population. No need to feel sorry about it.

The Eagle Squardron was not in the Battle of Britain being formed in 1941. They were "mainly" US citizens in the RAF - they were not on loan. Many from many countries joined the RAF. The RAF Polish 303 squadron, of which the Polish are very proud, was the most successful in the Battle of Britain. The Eagle Squadron even escorted US bombers being an RAF squadron. A deal was made with the USAAF, they wanted the experienced pilots. They were transferred over to the USAAF as complete squadrons in late 1942, retaining their Spitfires.



Well you sure need to get your facts somewhere else because you dont have any right. The 45 million dream troops is so funny I just cant stop laughing. Face it if the US had not got in WW II then Europe would be alot different as even the British know they were in no shape to open a second front.

And the US was just getting geared up in 1942 so I would think the USSR should have produced more in 1942 then the US since they had already been at war for almost two years. But it did not matter as in 1944 the US built almost 100,000 planes more then all the other allied nations put together. In fact they built so much more then the rest of the world there is not enough space to mention it here. 2.4 million trucks and Lorries comes to mind when no one else built more then 400,000.

So lets see the US raised over 12.3 million troops in 3 years and built the largest navy and air force the world has ever seen with the second largest army in history and the largest merchant navy on earth and worked all they could together with the British who also did unbelievable feets during the war and worked together with the US and other allied nations to win the war but they did nothing to help the British and other allied nations ? I guess thats what your saying ?


Dont forget the US was nice enough to equip many allied nations with some of the 300,000 planes and 86,000 tanks and over 800 destroyer and destroyer escorts along with many other things they built. They could have kept much more of the equipment they built for them selfs but instead they shared with many allied if not all allied nations.


Maybe you dont like the US but face it they built way more then any other nation in the war and put more troops overseas then any nation in the war and helped all the allied nations more then any other alied nation because they could and wanted too since they were lucky enough to be in that posistion. The British and their empire also did all they could in their power to win the war. And if you agree or not the British and US did work good together in the alliance to help the allies with the USSR to win the war. Ron
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Old 06-24-2014, 07:26 AM
 
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The US is cold on the UK regard the Falklands. But when it mattered in 1982 they sided with the UK. They offered a carrier manned by UK personnel. The UK declined. UK troops do the fighting on the ground and the US do the transport in Afghanistan. Paul, a guy in wheel chair who goes to my local pub was hit by an RPG.

About 20 years ago I was in a pub in Earls Court in London I got talking to this American guy. We slowly got drunk and were thrown out of the pub at the end. We went to his hotel to continue. He started talking and he was a high up US military man. He did not reveal anything I did not already know, but what he did say was, "we all know in my circles that when it hits the fan the only people we can rely on to stick with us are the Brits".They know the Brits did not make deals with Hitler when he took over most of the western European continent. They kept fighting and ignored the idiot. It seems they need us than we need them.
At the start of the Falklands conflict Washington at first refused Britain permission to use the USA-operated Ascension Island airfield facilities for refuelling RAF jets, despite the Island being British. Only after Mrs Thatcher intervened with Ronald Reagan did the Americans reluctantly concede.

Documents uncovered by the US Walls Street Journal in 2012 also show how the US considered backing Argentina, a move favoured by US Secretary of State Alexander Haig.

How the U.S. Almost Betrayed Britain in the Falklands War - WSJ

Then again the French were just as treacherous.

BBC finds evidence that French helped Argentines sink our ships | Falkland Islands News | The Week UK





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Old 06-24-2014, 04:12 PM
 
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The French duplicity over the Falklands is well known as is Israel offering planes and pilots. The US has this anti-colonial policy. I don't know why. Colonialism benefitted many countries. In this case all the population are of British stock. The British are not ruling people they conquered.

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Old 06-24-2014, 04:24 PM
 
Location: London
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Well you sure need to get your facts somewhere else because you dont have any right.
You must stop making thing up and going by Hollywood history. The British Empire had over ONE THIRD of the world's population. Raising 45 million was easy. Supplying them was the problem.
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Face it if the US had not got in WW II then Europe would be alot different as even the British know they were in no shape to open a second front.
The British were totally capable of opening a second front. They had contingency plans for going it alone on D-Day in case the US pulled out of the events in the Far East went heavily against the US.

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Old 06-25-2014, 12:09 PM
 
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You must stop making thing up and going by Hollywood history. The British Empire had over ONE THIRD of the world's population. Raising 45 million was easy. Supplying them was the problem.
The British were totally capable of opening a second front. They had contingency plans for going it alone on D-Day in case the US pulled out of the events in the Far East went heavily against the US.


Oh yes thats right they could have goit their 45 million troops to open a second front........ ROFLMAO ......

Hey at least Holywood history has the facts straight and does not use 45 million fantasy troops. Ron
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