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Old 05-22-2014, 07:58 PM
 
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That depends how you look at it. Technically the UK and France started it, as they issued the first declaration of war. However, Germany and the USSR signed a treaty that allowed them to divide up Poland, which really triggered the war. To me this is the biggest point of hypocrisy from the allies. They declared war on Germany, but basically turned a blind eye to aggression by the USSR. To me there was no lesser evil. Both of the were the epitome of evil.
What are you smoking? The UK and France didn't start WW2. Hitler started the war in Europe by invading Poland with 1.5 million troops. UK and France declared war several days later in reaction to this invasion, but it doesn't mean they started it. Hitler invaded and annexed a number of countries into the Reich before Poland. He sent troops marching into Austria in 1938, Checkloslovakia, and a number of smaller territories. He used the mere threat of military force to avoid firing a shot.

By your logic, Hitler could not have started WW2 if he tried because he didn't declare war, he just invaded. By your logic, the U.S. did not start any war since WW2 because we never declared war on North Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, or Iraq. We just sent millions of troops over there to fight but never started the war.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:03 AM
 
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German, Japan, and the Soviet Union. Germany and Japan desperately needed farm land and natural resources, especially oil. Japan wanted the rubber fields as well. The Soviet Union simply wanted to expands it's sphere of influence. Remember, their treaty with Germany was to divide up Poland.

Churchill, probably not. But other members of the US and UK elite? That is still very much a heated debate to this day. The elites will deny it, but as IBM showed, they were willing to work with Nazi Germany. The same can not be said of the USSR.
German agriculture was dire. 56% of the population was engaged in agriculture. The state of the industry was backwards, the equivalent of Ireland and Romania. The USSR did not need land neither did Japan to feed themselves. Germany wanted the land and resources to create a Greater Germany. A USA of Europe.

The German Soviet pact was a last minute effort to keep the USSR aligning with the UK and France and give the USSR breathing space. And to keep the USSR out of the initial shooting war and offering sweeteners like the Baltic states and a third of Poland.

Pre-war all traded with Germany. Only US corporations worked with Germany and Japan, mainly because they were in Germany and Japan and had little option.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:10 AM
 
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That depends how you look at it. Technically the UK and France started it, as they issued the first declaration of war. However, Germany and the USSR signed a treaty that allowed them to divide up Poland, which really triggered the war. To me this is the biggest point of hypocrisy from the allies. They declared war on Germany, but basically turned a blind eye to aggression by the USSR. To me there was no lesser evil. Both of the were the epitome of evil.
War is started by the first army to start fighting. The German Soviet pact did not state division of land. Soviet troops entered after Germany beat Polish troops.
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Old 05-23-2014, 12:18 AM
 
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WWII was just a continuation of wars in Europe over economic control that had gone on for centuries.
It is strongly argued that WW2 was an extension of WW1. By WW2 the scalewwas global.
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