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Old 07-10-2014, 07:10 AM
 
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The thing that really gets me is how when this topic is brought up, blacks usually refer to slavery and say that all this aggression towards white folks is a result of that time. They tend to forget one thing though and I never ever see it brought up by them. Why is it that they put all the blame for slavery on the white american/european slave owners yet none on thier fellow African tribesmen who were responsible for the gathering and selling of these very same slaves during the transatlantic slave trade? They conveniently forget to mention that when condemning slavery. Why?

 
Old 07-10-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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The vast majority of Americans are ignorant as to what the slave trade actually involved. That said, slavery would not have existed as it did without the voracious demand for slaves in the Americas, so whites and Europeans were in the driver's seat.

This is a good book on the social history of slavery: Slavery and Social Death: A Comparative Study: Orlando Patterson: 9780674810839: Amazon.com: Books
 
Old 07-10-2014, 07:48 AM
 
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In western culture because Whites have done the most damage, both short term and long term.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 07:53 AM
 
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The thing that really gets me is how when this topic is brought up, blacks usually refer to slavery and say that all this aggression towards white folks is a result of that time. They tend to forget one thing though and I never ever see it brought up by them. Why is it that they put all the blame for slavery on the white american/european slave owners yet none on thier fellow African tribesmen who were responsible for the gathering and selling of these very same slaves during the transatlantic slave trade? They conveniently forget to mention that when condemning slavery. Why?
Because actually studying the institution of slavery requires scholarship, a worldview, and an open mind. It is much easier to take a narrow focus.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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The vast majority of Americans are ignorant as to what the slave trade actually involved. That said, slavery would not have existed as it did without the voracious demand for slaves in the Americas, so whites and Europeans were in the driver's seat.

This is a good book on the social history of slavery: Slavery and Social Death: A Comparative Study: Orlando Patterson: 9780674810839: Amazon.com: Books
So basically you're saying that blame should be put on Americans for the thousands of murders taking place in Mexico due to our appetite for drugs? No blame should be placed on the mexican cartels?

Lets just place blame on the rich for African blood diamonds and not on the Africans who are actually doing the killings.

Etc...
 
Old 07-10-2014, 08:13 AM
 
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In western culture because Whites have done the most damage, both short term and long term.
Never mind "western culture". Lets take a look at slavery from a world view. How are whites any more responsible than the Africans who were responsible for the gathering, killing, and selling/trading of these very same slaves?
 
Old 07-10-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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So basically you're saying that blame should be put on Americans for the thousands of murders taking place in Mexico due to our appetite for drugs? No blame should be placed on the mexican cartels?

Lets just place blame on the rich for African blood diamonds and not on the Africans who are actually doing the killings.

Etc...
No, that is not basically what I am saying.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 08:19 AM
 
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No, that is not basically what I am saying.
This is what you stated...."That said, slavery would not have existed as it did without the voracious demand for slaves in the Americas"


How is this any different from blaming Americans for the killings going on in mexico due to the Americans "voracious demand" for drugs in America?
 
Old 07-10-2014, 08:22 AM
 
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The thing that really gets me is how when this topic is brought up, blacks usually refer to slavery and say that all this aggression towards white folks is a result of that time. They tend to forget one thing though and I never ever see it brought up by them. Why is it that they put all the blame for slavery on the white american/european slave owners yet none on thier fellow African tribesmen who were responsible for the gathering and selling of these very same slaves during the transatlantic slave trade? They conveniently forget to mention that when condemning slavery. Why?
There's a stark contrast between taking prisoners of war, as was the case in Africans capturing other Africans and traveling half way across the world with the expressed purpose of trying to rule, conquer, and ruin peoples lives as Whites did. What were White people doing in Africa in the first place? They were there to acquire slaves, not all of which were acquired by purchase some were acquired through European slave acquisition raids.

You tell the story as if it were Africans who brought slaves to Europe or the Americas and went door to door selling African slaves to Europeans. African tribesman didn't tell Europeans to brand Africans like cattle, African tribesman didn't tell Europeans to whip slaves until they accepted their European last name (And for other perceived slights), African tribesman didn't tell Europeans to cut their slaves tongues from their mouth for speaking their native language, African tribesman didn't tell Europeans to prevent Africans slaves from learning to read and educate themselves, African tribesman didn't tell Europeans to make sure they separated mother and child at birth so they couldn't pass down their heritage, African tribesman didn't tell Europeans to cut off and break limbs when Africans tried to run away and escape from the hell White people created for them, African tribesman didn't tell Europeans to come to Africa in the first place to try and acquire slaves, African tribesman didn't tell Europeans to teach their slaves that their culture was inferior and that Europeans "saved" them, African tribesman didn't provide a manual when selling African prisoners that said make sure you ruin their life and make it so their descendants have no chance of ever knowing their real names or true heritage...White people did all of that of their own volition.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 08:26 AM
 
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Never mind "western culture". Lets take a look at slavery from a world view. How are whites any more responsible than the Africans who were responsible for the gathering, killing, and selling/trading of these very same slaves?
Africans did not capture slaves in a vacuum. They supplied a demand. Africans were certainly a key player in the African slave trade. Of course, Africa was composed of fractured, tribal and slave owning societies, so there was not any thought of selling fellow Africans--they were selling members of X tribe--so there was not any stigma attached to selling slaves. Another thing that is rarely discussed is the high mortality rate of white slavers--it was a very dangerous occupation.
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