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when I read the first op messge, all I saw was profit, did not get anything and I want money. last time I look, not all wite people was into slavery, some had their own farms, so why should they pay. then jim crow, yes it was bad, but not for all in all community. since 1960 I have never seen a white only water foundation in my town, so why should my town pay.. my family didn't come to united states since 1958, so why should I pay.
Im not saying forget history by no means, but life must go forward
No one is going to pay now of course. Ultimately without pay, all the suffering profited nothing. Again yes, everyone has pain in their history, but for black people this is all of their history's origin. There is nothing before it. Of course as many have already mentioned, there are plenty success stories as well. Now, the black community has problems today, a disproportionate amount of problems compared to other ethnic groups. According to most, black people are at the bottom rung in every statistical category. Why is that? Perhaps we are still hung up over our history. I mean how is it everyone else can move on from their painful pasts, but it's hard for black people not to? Perhaps then it would be easier to forget it as much as you can, to move on. I consider this to be a special case that requires special measures.
That didn't happen until 1942, when the Japanese government pointed it out.
No, it happened until about then. Forced labor of imprisoned black people happened from the end of the Civil War until World War II. Did you mean to say that it stopped when the Japanese pointed out what we were doing? Our stopping this practice because the Japanese pointed it out, if in fact they did point it out, seems unlikely to me.
I mean how is it everyone else can move on from their painful pasts, but it's hard for black people not to? Perhaps then it would be easier to forget it as much as you can, to move on. I consider this to be a special case that requires special measures.
While I would never recommend a group choosing to forget as much as they can about their history, I can understand why an individual person might choose to try and block it out to move ahead. That would be a personal decision one could make, even if it seems kind of desperate. I don't mean to be disrespectful, only to say that if an individual needs to block out painful parts of history so they can move on, that's okay. But I would hope they can revisit their history in the future.
Another issue is we see folks arriving from countries without knowledge of English or customs of the USA and within a few years develop into productive members of society. They arrive poor and work themselves into the middle class. Yet folks born here are disasters and appear unable to rise out of the bottom tier of society and spread a hateful view of others. And they perpetuate the same for their next generation etc.etc.
No one seeing this latter cycle for a few decades would have any sympathy. In fact one would develop a hard heart and dismiss them as unworthy of any goodwill.
No, it happened until about then. Forced labor of imprisoned black people happened from the end of the Civil War until World War II. Did you mean to say that it stopped when the Japanese pointed out what we were doing? Our stopping this practice because the Japanese pointed it out, if in fact they did point it out, seems unlikely to me.
It was contained in Japanese war propaganda in 1942.
Another issue is we see folks arriving from countries without knowledge of English or customs of the USA and within a few years develop into productive members of society. They arrive poor and work themselves into the middle class. Yet folks born here are disasters and appear unable to rise out of the bottom tier of society and spread a hateful view of others. And they perpetuate the same for their next generation etc.etc.
No one seeing this latter cycle for a few decades this would have any sympathy. In fact one would develop a hard heart and dismiss them as unworthy of any goodwill.
That's not caused by an awareness of their history, but parodoxically by being unaware of their history.
A recognized social error in the black northern migration was that young, single blacks moved out of the South but they did not take their "cultural touchstones"--the old people, the grandmothers and such--with them. They were culturally adrift, and largely still are.
My maternal great-great-grandparents were former slaves in Mississippi, sharecroppers after the war. My great-great-grandfather worked off-season in a local sawmill and my great-great-grandmother baked pies, both working to pay off the "company store" debt (a scam that kept both black and white sharecroppers perpetually in debt) in time to take part in the 1989 Oklahoma land rush. They staked out land with a stream and built a sawmill as well as a ranch. In the early 60s, that side of my family had spread out, but the homestead anchor was still that land.
I remember around 1963 making a visit to relatives who had moved to the south side of Chicago and being struck even as a kid about how alien, unconnected, and really rather savage that life was up there. The problem was that they did not take their heritage with them.
There are many survivors of Jim Crow though still today. And majority of those killed & effected by & during the Holocaust were NON Jews.
Yes, more non-Jews than Jews were killed in the Holocaust but the 6 million Jews who were killed is estimated to have been 1/3 of the total worldwide Jewish population.
What other group lost such a high percentage of their members?
That's not caused by an awareness of their history, but parodoxically by being unaware of their history.
A recognized social error in the black northern migration was that young, single blacks moved out of the South but they did not take their "cultural touchstones"--the old people, the grandmothers and such--with them. They were culturally adrift, and largely still are.
My maternal great-great-grandparents were former slaves in Mississippi, sharecroppers after the war. My great-great-grandfather worked off-season in a local sawmill and my great-great-grandmother baked pies, both working to pay off the "company store" debt (a scam that kept both black and white sharecroppers perpetually in debt) in time to take part in the 1989 Oklahoma land rush. They staked out land with a stream and built a sawmill as well as a ranch. In the early 60s, that side of my family had spread out, but the homestead anchor was still that land.
I remember around 1963 making a visit to relatives who had moved to the south side of Chicago and being struck even as a kid about how alien, unconnected, and really rather savage that life was up there. The problem was that they did not take their heritage with them.
Today with instant access to information a person can be aware of their history. I recall prior to computers we had printed books and one, if motivated, could ascertain a considerable amount of information regarding the human condition prior to their existence. Another issue, among many, is that knowledge of the past has been warped and diminished to fit only one view and agenda.
Today with instant access to information a person can be aware of their history. I recall prior to computers we had printed books and one, if motivated, could ascertain a considerable amount of information regarding the human condition prior to their existence.
That presumes a person who somehow becomes so motivated at a relatively mature age--probably older teens at least. That won't be the "average" person among those who were not taught their heritage "from their grandmother's knee." It can happen, but it won't be common, especially in the early teens.
Americans today tend to severely underestimate the value of culture inculcated at an early age: The learned valuation of family and society and one's place in it. There has been a lot of attention placed on "self-esteem" when what is lacking is "society esteem." One must feel that one is part of a social fabric that is respectable, and that from early childhood.
You just can't erase 100 years of Economic and Racial segregation in just 40 years.
After WWII, those nice cushy factory jobs with pensions were not readily available for Blacks till the 60's.
Jim Crow Eliminated the completion.
Try the 40's.
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