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Old 12-24-2007, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Christmas famously "comes but once a year." In fact, however, it comes twice. The Christmas of the Nativity, the manger and Christ child, the wise men and the star of Bethlehem, "Silent Night" and "Hark the Herald Angels Sing" is one holiday. The Christmas of parties, Santa Claus, evergreens, presents, "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" and "Jingle Bells" is quite another.

But because both celebrations fall on Dec. 25, the two are constantly confused. Religious Christians condemn taking "the Christ out of Christmas," while First Amendment absolutists see a threat to the separation of church and state in every poinsettia on public property and school dramatization of "A Christmas Carol."

A little history can clear things up.

The Christmas of parties and presents is far older than the Nativity. Most ancient cultures celebrated the winter solstice, when the sun reaches its lowest point and begins to climb once more in the sky. In ancient Rome, this festival was called the Saturnalia and ran from Dec. 17 to Dec. 24. During that week, no work was done, and the time was spent in parties, games, gift giving and decorating the houses with evergreens. (Sound familiar?) It was, needless to say, a very popular holiday.

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Old 12-24-2007, 07:10 PM
 
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Thumbs up Christmas on January 6th

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Christmas famously "comes but once a year." In fact, however, it comes twice. The Christmas of the Nativity, the manger and Christ child, the wise men and the star of Bethlehem, "Silent Night" and "Hark the Herald Angels Sing" is one holiday. The Christmas of parties, Santa Claus, evergreens, presents, "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" and "Jingle Bells" is quite another.

But because both celebrations fall on Dec. 25, the two are constantly confused. Religious Christians condemn taking "the Christ out of Christmas," while First Amendment absolutists see a threat to the separation of church and state in every poinsettia on public property and school dramatization of "A Christmas Carol."

A little history can clear things up.

The Christmas of parties and presents is far older than the Nativity. Most ancient cultures celebrated the winter solstice, when the sun reaches its lowest point and begins to climb once more in the sky. In ancient Rome, this festival was called the Saturnalia and ran from Dec. 17 to Dec. 24. During that week, no work was done, and the time was spent in parties, games, gift giving and decorating the houses with evergreens. (Sound familiar?) It was, needless to say, a very popular holiday.

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I am told that the Eastern Orthodox Churces celebrate Christmasm on January 6th...something about a disagreement in the time frame the North Star pointed to Jesus and when he was actually born...???
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Old 12-26-2007, 07:12 AM
 
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Mickey... I think Jan. 6th is when the 3 wise men got there, to Bethlahem. Orthodox disagree about the time of Easter...
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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January 6th is Ephiphany or Three Kings. It's when the 3 wise men found Jesus. When I was in Russia (when it was still the USSR), they put more emphasis on the January 6th celebration.
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It wasn't three kings. It was a caravan of merchants, generally travelling in groups of 100-300 who gave three types of gifts. Someone pointed that out to me in the Bible once and I can't believe how many times I had read it and heard it ....and it wasn't even what it actually said.

There is also documentation supporting the idea that Jesus was conceived the end of December and actually born the end of September. Not the shepherds, nor the merchant caravans, would be traveling/grazing their flock during the winter months.
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Old 12-27-2007, 08:30 PM
 
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I found this article on the argument of when Jesus is born
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Art...christmas.html

I found it interesting.
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Old 12-30-2007, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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I'm just tellin' ya what some people call January 6th, historically accurate or not, some people refer to it as Three Kings. Sorry if that upsets. you.
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Old 12-31-2007, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm just tellin' ya what some people call January 6th, historically accurate or not, some people refer to it as Three Kings. Sorry if that upsets. you.
Naaa..I never get upset over trivia. I actually didn't know about the January 6th holiday...so I thought it was interesting.
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Old 01-01-2008, 05:57 AM
 
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Christimas is really a Pagan holiday that the Christians took to get more Pagans into the church. It was also Mithra's birthday and there is no way that Jesus was born in the winter.
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