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Old 09-22-2014, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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The US let Hitler kill Jews for 10 years, and did almost nothing. The US got involved when Hitler invaded France. Did the US really worry about the Jews?
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Old 09-22-2014, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Central Nebraska
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Actually I thought Peral Harbor had something to do with it.
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Old 09-22-2014, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, Az
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The US let Hitler kill Jews for 10 years, and did almost nothing. The US got involved when Hitler invaded France. Did the US really worry about the Jews?

Are you serious? Hitler had not been killing the Jews for 10 years before the U.S. got involved in WW II. Hitler didn't even become Chancellor of Germany until 1933. The U.S. didn't formally join the war until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941. Then the U.S. formally declared war on Japan. Germany (an ally of Japan) then declared war on the USA. Germany had invaded France in May of 1940.
Thus the USA did not get "involved" when Hitler invaded France.

The Holocaust (killing of Jews and others) also wasn't an immediate thing that happened the minute Hitler gained power. Throughout the 1930s the legal, economic, and social rights of Jews were steadily restricted. Yes concentration camps (horrible as they were even then) were built in 1933 but they did not immediately become extermination (death) camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps
And this link:
The Danish Center for Holocaust and Genocide Studies

At any rate the time Hitler became Chancellor (1933) until the time the USA formally joined the war 1941 is not 10 years.

As for doing "almost nothing the USA" did have a Destroyers for Bases agreement with Great Britain in 1940 BBC - WW2 People's War - Timeline and started the Lend Lease program with Great Britain which enacted in Mar. 1941. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

There is also the question of when and how much the USA knew about the Holocaust before it entered WW II. http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/archives/pdfs/holocaust.pdf

Indeed there are still some people (idiots in my estimation ) who still say there was no Holocaust.

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Old 09-22-2014, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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The US let Hitler kill Jews for 10 years, and did almost nothing. The US got involved when Hitler invaded France. Did the US really worry about the Jews?
Germany invaded France in May 1940.

The United States entered the war in December 1941, a full year and a half after France's surrender.

The final impetus for the U.S. entry into the war was the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and Germany's declaration of war three days later.
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Old 09-22-2014, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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It also ought to be noted that Germany declared war on the United States; had Hitler not done so, it would have been very difficult to convince Congress to expand the American role in the war beyond the Pacific theater.
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Old 09-22-2014, 11:01 PM
 
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Actually I thought Peral Harbor had something to do with it.
No kidding
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Old 09-23-2014, 03:22 AM
 
Location: Peterborough, England
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I have never heard any suggestion (save occasionally from neo-Nazi wingnuts) that US involvement in WW2 had anything to do with the Jews. Indeed quite a few in FDR's administration were distinctly anti-Semitic and opposed to admission of Jewish refugees.

US entry into the war was caused by Japan far more than Germany. Also, iirc, the Holocaust was barely starting at the time of Pearl Harbour. It's unlikely to have been a factor at all.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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The ambivalence toward Jewish refugees in the days immediately before the outbreak of World War II is well-documented, but probably no more thoroughly than in the case of the liner Saint Louis, which was turned away by several Western nations.

MS St. Louis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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America entered into ww ll because Pearl Harbour was bombed.There is an article published in 1936 that mentions the word Holocaust for the first time. It states..."a Jewish holocaust in Europe". There were actual anti wsr protests in America at the time . There seems to be evidence that not only was there knowledge that Jewish people were being murdered, it was ignored.
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:47 AM
 
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It also ought to be noted that Germany declared war on the United States; had Hitler not done so, it would have been very difficult to convince Congress to expand the American role in the war beyond the Pacific theater.
Not really.

Read the editorials in American newspapers published between the afternoon of December 8 and December 11, 1941 (the date of the German declaration of war upon the U.S.).

Detroit Free Press, 12/08/41:
"sunset today will probably see this country openly at war not only with Japan but with Germany and Italy as well."
[p.14, Hitler Attacks Pearl Harbor, by Richard Hill]
Note: the book does not advocate a conspiracy in which Germany was some sort of partner in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Rather, the title is meant to reflect the reaction in the United States to the attack on Pearl Harbor, in that it demolished not only virtually all resistance to entering the Pacific War but to entering the European War as well.]

On the same day, the longtime isolationist Washington Times-Herald also informed its readers that by the time they were holding the copy in their hands, the U.S. likely would have declared war in Germany, Italy, and the various eastern European Axis puppets.

They were wrong in the timing, but their statements reveal that the country was mentally prepared for, expecting , and accepting of the formal opening hostilities against Germany.

Secretary of War Stimson wanted a declaration immediately on the 7th, but Roosevelt was confident that a German declaration of war itself was imminent. It was not that FDR did not think he could get an immediate declaration from Congress, but he was aware that it would be both politically easier, and be backed by a larger majority, if Germany moved first. So he decided to let Hitler do just that.

But this was merely a formality.

The Des Moines Register, 12/09/41:
"it is only a matter of time before the American declaration that a state of war exists with Japan will be extended to Germany and Italy"
[p.15]

And FDR was immediately preparing the public for just this.

Sacremento Union, 12/10/41 [referencing FDR's speech of the day before]:
"President Roosevelt let the nation know last night, in not quite so many words, that the U.S. is as much at war with Germany and Italy as with Japan-and thus took a lot of the punch out of the big diplomatic question of whether we or the Axis partners would be the first to formalize our state of war."
[p.15]

The last clause in that sentence is most informative, for it illustrates that after Pearl Harbor it was understood that war with Germany was a foregone conclusion, and that either the U.S. or Germany was liable to lead with a declaration of war.

There are many more examples.

Also, read the comments by Representatives and Senators - they make it very clear before December 11 that most of them are prepared to declare war on Germany before Germany does the same upon the United States.
Hitler Attacks Pearl Harbor: Why the United States Declared War on Germany - Richard F. Hill - Google Books

A Gallup poll in November 1940 showed that by a 68% to 32% margin, the American public thought that GERMANY BEING DEFEATED was more important that KEEPING THE U.S. OUT OF THE WAR. Does that sound like a public that is going to be adamantly opposed to war against Germany, especially after the U.S. is already in the war against another Axis power?
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/public-perspective/ppscan/83/83012.pdf

And a Gallup poll conducted immediately after Pearl Harbor and published on December 10 showed 90% support amongst the public for war against Germany.

The simple reality, as reflected by abundant historical evidence, is that once news broke of the attack on Pearl Harbor, the public and the government were fully on board for war against not only Japan but Germany (and Italy) as well.
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