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Old 09-30-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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One of the great tragedies in WW2 for sure. It started in July 1944 and was thought to be a few days and then the Soviet forces on the other side of the Vistula river would come to their aid. However, Stalin was too happy to let the Germans massacre any Polish leadership that was independent and not under his iron control. Thus the Polish Underground Army fought against impossible odds alone and the Nazis killed a lot of trapped civilians and destroyed the whole city. &0 years ago the Polish Underground Army capitulated rather than swimming across the Vistula. After the immense suffering by the Nazi occupation a long and dreary soviet communist dominance followed for another 45 years. Nonetheless we have all reason to honor the men and women fighting this desperate fight.
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Old 10-01-2014, 11:32 AM
 
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From what I have read about it Stalin actually had a radio broadcast telling the Polish people to rise up against the Germans fooling the Polish to thinking the Soviet army would help them and all along Stalin just wanted that Polish government smashed. And thats because he wanted to set up his puppet government in Poland. I agree it was a tragedy. I always wonder if the Red army tropps wanted to help the Polish and wondered why they were ordered not to help the Polish ? Ron
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Old 10-01-2014, 03:45 PM
 
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From what I have read about it Stalin actually had a radio broadcast telling the Polish people to rise up against the Germans fooling the Polish to thinking the Soviet army would help them and all along Stalin just wanted that Polish government smashed. And thats because he wanted to set up his puppet government in Poland. I agree it was a tragedy. I always wonder if the Red army tropps wanted to help the Polish and wondered why they were ordered not to help the Polish ? Ron
Yeah it's really a tough call as to who was more evil - Hitler or Stalin. They were in a tough competition for the worst of all times spot.
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Old 10-02-2014, 02:55 AM
 
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Yeah it's really a tough call as to who was more evil - Hitler or Stalin. They were in a tough competition for the worst of all times spot.

And I know Polish troops were fighting with the Red army so I have to wander if any of the Polish divisions or troops were near there and also wondered why they did not get orders to help the people in Warsaw ? Course we all know its because Stalin was an evil SOB but what did the individual Polish or Soviet soldier think about it as you cant blame the individual Soviet soldier since they had to follow orders. Ron
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