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Old 01-10-2008, 01:39 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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My point is that we could then do any immoral experiment we want, because we can always come up with someone scarier or conjure up a greater thread to rationalise and justify our immoral behaviour.
I mean the Nazis could justify their evil behaviour with: if we don't do this the Allies will gain the upper hand and the Allies can make the exact same excuse.
Just like the situation we have now with our nuclear weaponry and chemical weapons.
The difference is WE WEREN'T SHOVELING PEOPLE INTO OVENS AFTER GASSING THEM.

There is no comparing our side to their's - no matter how hard you may try. The NAZI's were PURE EVIL - as evil a regime as has ever existed.

There is nothing we possibly did that was not justified by our ridding the world of Hitler and company

NOTHING.

You obviously do no seem to agree with that, and that's fine, but I'm done wasting my time with you.

Your arguments make NO SENSE and your positions are indefensible

Ken
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Old 01-10-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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The difference is WE WEREN'T SHOVELING PEOPLE INTO OVENS AFTER GASSING THEM.
I never said that the Allies did so.
I only claim that you could use this fact as an excuse to do the same thing what the Nazis did.
It is just my opinion that the if I don't do it someone else will-excuse is a spiralling path towards evil.

I mean lets's be honest, this is exactly the reason how criminals justify their crimes.
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MothWho started the European (western) expansion in Asia?
Not the Japanese.
But it didn't took the Japanese a long time to realise that if they would allow themselves to be overrun by the westerners they eventually would turn into another China (Asia's poor sick man, because of the opium which the Brits forced into trading with them).

Anywayz, if America never had forced itself on Japanese soil and strong-armed Japan into trading with them, I doubt they would ever have felt the need to attack Pearl Harbour. I can't blame the Japanese for believing that westerners truly are barbarians who’ll say anything just to get whatever they want.

It is my opinion that the nuclear arms race or the threat of mutual extinction is NOT an improvement, more the opposite.
There are hardly words! Pick up a history book! I agree with Ken 100% . . . you ar RIGHT ON!
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by MothWho started the European (western) expansion in Asia?
Not the Japanese.
The Portugese in 1543.....so does that answer your question?

Infact you could technically go bach further as the Greeks and Egyptians were trading with the Orient back in 200 and 300 BC.....
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:44 AM
 
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Although the OP asked about the bombs being dropped on Japan....i wonder what China thought about it. After all we know that Japan had first started invading China in the 5th and 6th centuries from the Korean Peninsula before most of the allies were even a country. Hmm.........
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:18 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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The Portugese in 1543.....so does that answer your question?
Not really because I wasn't asking a question.

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Infact you could technically go bach further as the Greeks and Egyptians were trading with the Orient back in 200 and 300 BC.....
Trading with and trying to monopolise trade by force are 2 different things.
I doubt the military reach of Greece and Egypt goes that far into Asia.
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Old 01-23-2008, 07:03 PM
 
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I think the questioin is best raised with a WWII veteran.From what I gathered the japanese basiclly horrible. The chinese still remember to this day the rape of Nan king. I think that it was a matter of using the bomb or many americans on this froum wouldn't be here because their fathes or grand-fathers would have died in invading japan.The bomb would still have existed and may have been use somewhere else or by someone else. Maybe Korea;who knos. I think the result and the bomb might have prevented a third world war. It's hard to judge what was done especially when other americans were the ones to scarifice in WWII. The vietnam and other wars except WWI pale in comparison to WWII.
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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I have always wondered what would have happened in WW2 if we did not have nukes and there was no bombing of those two Japanese Cities. I suspect that the battle of the Japanese Mainland (including Tokyo) would have killed more people in the long run and the war would have gone on for many years. I understand that even kids as young as 7 were expected to fight against the Americans. Any theories?
Japan would have retreated back to the mainland, and a lot of Japanese would have probably starved. But we wouldn't have Japanese products on sale here in America either.
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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regarding the Allied invasion.

that would not have been necessary either. Japan surrendered, but the State Department didn't want them to have any dignity when they did so. They wanted the Japanese completely humiliated and broken.
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Exactly! I have met scores of people who are completely ignorant to this. They think everything started with Pearl Harbor when Japan had actually been subjugating most of Asia for years. Or they think the US started it when in reality WWII had been going on for almost three years before Japan dragged us into it.
We forced their hand by refusing them access to their oil reserves. Plus, Japan's Naval Academy had the plan to attack Pearl Harbor for about ten years before using it. When they did attack, and were picked up on radar, the operators were told to ignore what they saw. Roosevelt wanted to kick America's isolationists right in the seat of the pants. It was planned that way.
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