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Old 01-04-2015, 08:14 AM
 
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In Japan's case, the homeland had not yet been invaded, but all the major cities had been devastated by bombing (not just the two cities hit by the two atomic bombs). American aircraft carriers ranged at will close to the Japanese home islands, the Japanese Navy having been destroyed as an effective fighting force.
Actually Okinawa had been invaded and the fighting went back and forth. It was a good preview of how brutal an invasion of the three main islands would have been. This was part of the need to drop two atomic bombs. The other part was that the U.S. government was running the risk of being shut out of the credit markets, which would have triggered insolvency.
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Old 01-04-2015, 08:35 AM
 
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Thanks for the info. From everything I'm reading it appears as though it was the Russians and their allies who actually won the war. America mainly provided support, but the Russians and various African countries were the hardest hitters. Lol, true to American and West European form, constantly patting themselves on the back, even when it's unwarranted.
This is a very simplistic view and I think it is very wrong to try to credit one group for victory while relegating everyone else to support.

In fact, I would say that it was these factors that MOST CONTRIBUTED to the destruction of the German Army:
  • The German Army self destructed when Hitler decided to break the Pact with Russia. This weakened his Army, possibly more than the any other decision. Had he kept the pact, it is possible that Russia would not have thrown away so many lives while killing German soldiers. In fact, Stalin was more effective killing his own than the Germans were. World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • It was AMERICAN AND BRITISH AIRPOWER that cleared the way for victory in all theaters. Without the fighters, bombers, and crews, Germany would have been able to build more weapons and easier supply their troops.
  • It was AMERICAN AND BRITISH SEAPOWER that cleared the way for materials to be delivered to the war theaters. Without the massive number of ships built (2710 Liberty Ships alone Liberty ship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), Germany could have effectively prevented soldiers and supplies from being delivered to the war. And without supplies, you have no victory.

If you are actually writing a school report, then I would suggest you actually start reading more about the war because your conclusions (those that are not being withheld) - IMHO, are way off base and ill-formed.

If you are actually planning to write a book on the subject, and don't care to do years of research, I would say stop. Without many years of scholarship (not casual internet poling) on the subject, there is nothing you can add that would be of benefit to anyone. You are more likely to produce a book that is far more wrong, than right. If you really want to look at who contributed what to the war efforts, here is an interesting place to start research... Participants in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Finally, if your goal is to promote some political point that you firmly believe in yet have no real basis for, then please proceed, your readers who are of the same bent will more than likely gobble it up with no care for facts.
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Old 01-04-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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This is a very simplistic view and I think it is very wrong to try to credit one group for victory while relegating everyone else to support.

In fact, I would say that it was these factors that MOST CONTRIBUTED to the destruction of the German Army:
  • The German Army self destructed when Hitler decided to break the Pact with Russia. This weakened his Army, possibly more than the any other decision. Had he kept the pact, it is possible that Russia would not have thrown away so many lives while killing German soldiers. In fact, Stalin was more effective killing his own than the Germans were. World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • It was AMERICAN AND BRITISH AIRPOWER that cleared the way for victory in all theaters. Without the fighters, bombers, and crews, Germany would have been able to build more weapons and easier supply their troops.
  • It was AMERICAN AND BRITISH SEAPOWER that cleared the way for materials to be delivered to the war theaters. Without the massive number of ships built (2710 Liberty Ships alone Liberty ship - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), Germany could have effectively prevented soldiers and supplies from being delivered to the war. And without supplies, you have no victory.

If you are actually writing a school report, then I would suggest you actually start reading more about the war because your conclusions (those that are not being withheld) - IMHO, are way off base and ill-formed.

If you are actually planning to write a book on the subject, and don't care to do years of research, I would say stop. Without many years of scholarship (not casual internet poling) on the subject, there is nothing you can add that would be of benefit to anyone. You are more likely to produce a book that is far more wrong, than right. If you really want to look at who contributed what to the war efforts, here is an interesting place to start research... Participants in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Finally, if your goal is to promote some political point that you firmly believe in yet have no real basis for, then please proceed, your readers who are of the same bent will more than likely gobble it up with no care for facts.
I've read that wikipedia article. From everything that I've seen that is from non-Western sources, Russia was the main player and they could have won the war without the U.S. at all.
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Old 01-04-2015, 09:21 AM
 
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I've read that wikipedia article. From everything that I've seen that is from non-Western sources, Russia was the main player and they could have won the war without the U.S. at all.
Then have at it. I look forward to your website.
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Old 01-04-2015, 09:22 AM
 
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Most Western sources acknowledge the Russian contribution to defeating the Axis. Could they have fought alone without the Allied bombing of German cities and industry, the North African campaign, the lend-lease supplied and, finally, of course the D-Day landings? Well, possibly, but they'd still be at it today

BTW, it seems as if you're looking to make a quick buck (rouble?) out of your e-book, but please take the time to do some serious reading first.
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Old 01-04-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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How was WW2 determined to be over and who dictated who the victor was?
A graphic popped up reading "All your bases are us."
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Old 01-04-2015, 12:07 PM
 
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A graphic popped up reading "All your bases are us."
Was that a StarCraft Broodwar, "All your bases are belong to us" reference?
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Old 01-04-2015, 12:11 PM
 
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Was that a StarCraft Broodwar, "All your bases are belong to us" reference?
No, it really happened that way.
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Old 01-04-2015, 02:13 PM
 
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I've read that wikipedia article. From everything that I've seen that is from non-Western sources, Russia was the main player and they could have won the war without the U.S. at all.
I'll tell you one thing about a U.S.S.R.-dominated victory; you wouldn't have liked the terms for the remaining parts of the West.
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Old 01-04-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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How was WW2 determined to be over and who dictated who the victor was?
You need to read on: Yalta, Teheran, and Potsdam conferences. Final terms were determined way before the last shot was fired.
Also, the end of war was determined by those who started it. Truly, there was no beginning to WW2, as it was simply a long term transition from WWI into WWII. Look at this as a long term truce. When the Elite gave its chance to their marxist mercenaries in Russia. But the very moment head of them, Leon Bronstein, was kicked out of Russia, and his cohorts got under Stalin's vise, Hitler was determined and promoted to power, to "lead" to another war on Russia.
WWII has also never really ended. It changed from active military actions to the so called "cold war" that was officially ended in 1991, when it changed to ideological war against same Russia. That soft war is going on full steam, if you can clearly understand political actions ever since 1991.
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