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I think the Graf Spee vs. the modern-day Ticoderoga. Both cruisers, right? Forget that one is equipped with Aegis missiles.
Er, um, that would be the Ticonderoga. And it ain't Aegis missiles (no such thing). It is the Aegis SYSTEM which includes missiles of several different types.
-- Nighteyes(who worked for the appropriate radar and missile systems company, and knows his hat from third base on the matter)
Er, um, that would be the Ticonderoga. And it ain't Aegis missiles (no such thing). It is the Aegis SYSTEM which includes missiles of several different types.
-- Nighteyes(who worked for the appropriate radar and missile systems company, and knows his hat from third base on the matter)
Thanks for that bit of pedantry on my rather hasty post. But, when it comes to the big picture, am I wrong?
Thanks for that bit of pedantry on my rather hasty post. But, when it comes to the big picture, am I wrong?
You say "pedantry"; I say "accuracy." And no, you're not wrong.
The "pocket battleship" Admiral Graf Spee was state-of-the-art in 1939. Having no radar it depended on being within visual range of its targets. Today, any warship could engage and sink it without ever peeking over the visual horizon.
This "discussion" reminds me of the legendary Tiger ace Michael Wittman's attack on a British armored column in Villers-Bocage the day after the Normandy invasion. The British unit was an advance column of the British 7th Armoured Division, and Wittman engaged the entire column almost singlehandedly. Ordering the other tanks in his company to hold their positions and support him, he proceeded to attack the entire column head-on - just drove his Tiger down the road straight at them, blowing up every single vehicle in the column one by one. In less than 15 minutes, he destroyed approximately 15 tanks and another 13 or 14 support vehicles and anti-tank guns. Here's a picture of the road after he passed -
That's one WWII tank against a column of other WWII tanks. Put an M1A1 Abrams against a column of WWII armor, and multiply that carnage by a factor of about 10. No WWII ever produced could even scratch an Abrams (unless they landed a lucky hit on a track), and the only thing that would limit the number of tanks the Abrams destroyed would be the amount of ammunition it had on board.
Oh, and yes - even the 25MM chain gun on a Bradley would destroy any WWII tank ever made. The Bradley killed a number of T-55s during the first Gulf War, and is even credited with killing T-72s at close range. It would shred a Tiger.
I started reading that first part - and immediately heard Higgins voice talking to Magnum...
You say "pedantry"; I say "accuracy." And no, you're not wrong.
The "pocket battleship" Admiral Graf Spee was state-of-the-art in 1939. Having no radar it depended on being within visual range of its targets. Today, any warship could engage and sink it without ever peeking over the visual horizon.
To continue your quest for accuracy the Graf Spee did have a radar system. I remember reading an article a few years ago (when part of the ship was being salvaged to be sent back to Germany) that the British mission to Uruguay had at least attempted to salvage some of the radar equipment almost as soon as the wreckage cooled after it was scuttled.
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