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Old 03-01-2015, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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If the Nazis had a nuke they would have used it. London and Moscow would have been hit immediately. If those nations did not surrender then more would be built and delivered. After several British and Russian cities were destroyed those nations would have surrendered as the Japanese did in 1945. They would have had no choice. This would have left the US alone with no base in Europe to operate from. The Germans would have likely given an ultimatum to the US, and they would have quickly developed the bomber needed to deliver the bomb. Also as masters of Europe they would soon hold Iceland, maybe even Greenland. It would not be hard for them to bomb the US while holding those places. If the US did choose to ignore the ultimatium and continue to resist then Washington and New York would likely be nuked. If that did not deter the USA then important interior cities that produced all the war goods like Detroit and Chicago would be nuked. It would be all but over at that point. If the Nazis had gained the nuclear bomb they would have won the war. Europe today would still be dominated by Germany, North America would be a backwater and Japan would run the Pacific rim, and dominate the entire Pacific ocean. This would be the consequences of losing the war.
As soon as the Germans attempted/succeeded in bombing anyone with an atom bomb, the US would have incinerated Germany with multiple hydrogen bombs easily launched by US ballistic missiles (already developed, stocked, deployed and ready for launch).

Because, heck, if we're playing "what-if's" that deal with basically forwarding Germany's war-time technological knowledge several years, then we can do the same with the US/Britain/Russia.
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Old 03-01-2015, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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See, this is the problem with "what if" threads. They're fun up to a point, but when they cross over into sheer fantasy, they basically fall apart. "They would have quickly developed the bomber they needed to deliver the bomb?" They tried for over 8 years to develop a long range strategic bomber, and failed completely. You might as well say, "well, Operation Sea Lion would have been a success, because they would have just learned how to clone velociraptors, armed them with light sabres, and taught them how to use parachutes." If these scenarios don't have at least some fundamental basis in reality, there's not much point to the discussion.

In the scenario where they have forced Britain to surrender they would as I stated likely end up with control of Iceland as well. The bomber needed to bomb the US would not need to go as far to deliver its payload from Iceland. I bet they could build the bomber needed in short order, given the decreased distance it needs to go. Also in the surrender of Britain they may end up gaining control of a capable bomber from the British, as well as a huge navy which could bring those aircraft much closer to the US mainland. Of course this thread is fantasy, all "what if " threads are. Thankfully the Nazis really did not come close to developing the bomb, they were far behind. The very premise of the thread was fantasy to begin with.
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Old 03-02-2015, 02:09 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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New York, D.C., Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad gone.

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Old 03-02-2015, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Imagine Nazi Germany having the atomic bomb during WW2.

A popular fantasy.

The reality is that the Germans never even came close.
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Old 03-02-2015, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Cape Coma Florida
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There are those who maintain that the Nazis did in fact have the bomb, and make a credible case for that assertion. Joseph P. Farrell is one of them and he has done extensive research on the matter. Others have delved into the same areas and like Farrell cite the Zinsser affadavit, which recounts the experience of a German pilot who witnessed a nuclear detonation in the vincinity from Ludwiglust and south of Lubeck.

Hitler's Atomic Bomb Test Report of Oct, 1944

Make what you will of it.
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Old 03-02-2015, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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There are those who maintain that the Nazis did in fact have the bomb, and make a credible case for that assertion. Joseph P. Farrell is one of them and he has done extensive research on the matter. Others have delved into the same areas and like Farrell cite the Zinsser affadavit, which recounts the experience of a German pilot who witnessed a nuclear detonation in the vincinity from Ludwiglust and south of Lubeck.

Hitler's Atomic Bomb Test Report of Oct, 1944

Make what you will of it.

<sniff>


hmmm...

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Old 03-02-2015, 07:31 AM
 
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...clone velociraptors, armed them with light sabres, and taught them how to use parachutes."
Funny - look up the trailer for "Iron Sky 2".

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Old 03-02-2015, 09:40 AM
 
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i would like to think perhaps the Anglo/Zionist cabal wouldn't have sacrificed
millions of lives by refusing to surrender peaceably, but based upon the intransigence
they exhibited, one could call that doubtful. If the Chancellor did have the a-bomb
at his command, he would have surely offered peace.


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WAOOO ! Peace has a lot of meanings, doesn't it !
Are you related to Goering ?
Indeed. Those who made some justification for the National Socialists used to point out that at least they were not Soviet Bolsheviks, and they were correct on that one small point.

But this guy goes full tilt on the "Anglo-Zionist Cabal".
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:46 AM
 
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wouldn't that depend on the size of the Bomb. A Tactical Nuclear Weapon does not have to be a "Fat Boy" size weapon. It can be easily loaded into a cannon shell, or a conventional large shell Bomb casing. A Conventional Bomber could deliver it, a submarine torpedo could deliver it. It would not take a large weapon to destroy a complete city, and terrify the entire population. One has to consider the development and the variations would have been done much faster in Germany, because all the technology there and the scientists. Germany was leaps and bounds beyond anyone else at that time. One small twist could have turned History in their favor, like the Jet Fighter. Had they had a little more time, and had they poured more resources into its development earlier, they would have ruled the air over all of Europe.

German Weaponry was always way ahead of any other Country, no matter what its was, from handguns to Artillery, from Tanks to Battleships. Always....
You are assuming modern miniturazation technology. Back then, even "Little Boy" was quite large and heavy.
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Old 03-02-2015, 09:46 AM
 
Location: rural south west UK
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The US intelligence would have located it and disabled it.
ROTFLMAO that's a good one, haven't laughed so much in ages.
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