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Old 07-15-2015, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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According to what you have provided so far:

1. The weapon in question existed at the time of the writing of the Constitution
2. This weapon made muskets obsolete
3. It was not the rifle

In that it was indeed the rifle which made the musket obsolete, I get the sinking feeling that you are referencing some weapon which never caught on, and in such a case, your clue about the founding fathers was misleading/false.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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According to what you have provided so far:

1. The weapon in question existed at the time of the writing of the Constitution
2. This weapon made muskets obsolete
3. It was not the rifle

In that it was indeed the rifle which made the musket obsolete, I get the sinking feeling that you are referencing some weapon which never caught on, and in such a case, your clue about the founding fathers was misleading/false.
Now, wait a minute, I said it was a rifle in that it was a weapon not handled by one hand. Whether or not it had a rifled barrel is unknown but to simplify it, I called muskets and rifles "rifles" collectively.

As far as whether or not it made muskets obsolete is debatable but beside the point. Let me put it this way, for who this man was, for what he did, his place in history makes this commercial useless:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVfnFtcH0

Finally, for what he did, the knowledge was long in existence and for the founding fathers in that they were the intelligent men they were, there is a decent chance that they had come across his work.

As far as "something that never caught on"......oh, yes, it caught on, quite massively.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Now, wait a minute, I said it was a rifle in that it was a weapon not handled by one hand. Whether or not it had a rifled barrel is unknown but to simplify it, I called muskets and rifles "rifles" collectively.

As far as whether or not it made muskets obsolete is debatable but beside the point. Let me put it this way, for who this man was, for what he did, his place in history makes this commercial useless:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVfnFtcH0

Finally, for what he did, the knowledge was long in existence and for the founding fathers in that they were the intelligent men they were, there is a decent chance that they had come across his work.

As far as "something that never caught on"......oh, yes, it caught on, quite massively.
Okay, I was right, you do not have your facts straight.

What makes a rifle a rifle is the rifling of the barrel. If it has the cut grooves in the barrel designed to impart a ballistic spin, it is a rifle. If it does not, it is a smoothbore. Muskets and rifles are not the same thing, regardless of your desire to "simplify."

Further, you original hint suggested that the founding fathers were well aware of this weapon, now you have altered that to "decent chance" that they were aware.

I get the feeling that this is going to turn out to be something that represents your opinion rather than something that is well known history.
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Old 07-15-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Have it your way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Puckle

Puckle's gun, which was about 70 years before the 2nd Amendment, introduced rapid fire, speed loading, and detachable magazines.

I release the question to whoever wants to take it.
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Old 07-15-2015, 05:32 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Hmmm, interesting...

Well...I have one...European, this time

A nephew of Henry and grandson of John, he was well informed - yet not well traveled.
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Old 07-15-2015, 06:25 PM
 
Location: StlNoco Mo, where the woodbine twineth
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Hmmm, interesting...

Well...I have one...European, this time

A nephew of Henry and grandson of John, he was well informed - yet not well traveled.
Was he a writer ?
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Old 07-15-2015, 06:34 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Certainly not known for that
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Old 07-15-2015, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Are we talking royalty here?
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Old 07-15-2015, 06:44 PM
 
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Yes
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Old 07-15-2015, 06:45 PM
 
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Are we talking Lancaster/Tudor ?
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