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Old 09-01-2015, 12:09 AM
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/wo...n-palmyra.html


Now, I am not suggesting we Americans have any intention of stuff like this. I am not sure Baal was even a good God. But does it not say something, that in thousands of years, this thing was able to stand. People came and went. Armies came and went. And somehow no one pulverized it until now.

Sure, this is an Islamic problem. But it's our, American, apparatus that supplied this region with the political vacuum and the weapons to do it. Whatever we have done, we have failed.

Maybe I am not thinking correctly, but when add up how the world looks, it sure seems like we suck at controlling the world. Our country was ill prepared to become a sole superpower and we seem to almost be begging for some other nation to come in take over our responsibilities. Of late, there has been an affinity for british things around here. We have somehow begun to think a nice accent means something. You have to wonder if that is because we wish they would just clean up the mess we have made with their civility.
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Old 09-01-2015, 01:05 AM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/wo...n-palmyra.html


Now, I am not suggesting we Americans have any intention of stuff like this. I am not sure Baal was even a good God. But does it not say something, that in thousands of years, this thing was able to stand. People came and went. Armies came and went. And somehow no one pulverized it until now.

Sure, this is an Islamic problem. But it's our, American, apparatus that supplied this region with the political vacuum and the weapons to do it. Whatever we have done, we have failed.

Maybe I am not thinking correctly, but when add up how the world looks, it sure seems like we suck at controlling the world. Our country was ill prepared to become a sole superpower and we seem to almost be begging for some other nation to come in take over our responsibilities. Of late, there has been an affinity for british things around here. We have somehow begun to think a nice accent means something. You have to wonder if that is because we wish they would just clean up the mess we have made with their civility.
How does the world look?

i think the media is just good at over exaggerating all the issues that face the world today, groups like ISIS is so overblown its not even funny. this world is not perfect but it is in one of its most peaceful times in history.

http://deathprojects.com/wp-content/.../01/Pinker.jpg

I don't think the USA alone has anything to do with it, its the whole world and human race coming together without killing each other in large numbers.

You can still argue that the USA isn't even a superpower and never has been, the world is a huge and powerful place with over 7 billion people, can one country really be running the show?
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Old 09-01-2015, 02:17 AM
 
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It looks like ISIS have actually done something right for once.
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Old 09-01-2015, 02:29 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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... American, apparatus that supplied this region with the political vacuum and the weapons to do it. Whatever we have done, we have failed.

Maybe I am not thinking correctly, but when add up how the world looks, it sure seems like ....
It sure seems like US military stock prices have more than doubled over the past several years (by the way, US companies are not the only ones who sell weapons), in the meantime US domestic oil production has sky-rocketed, oil prices have tumbled, renewable energy use has expanded, and various entities in the region pay the US and other countries of early industrialization based on an asset whose relative and even absolute value is decreasing and their budgets are seriously deteriorating, all the while those entities flood the countries of early industrialization with cheap labor.

Imperial vision or a series of narrow-minded short runs?

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Old 09-01-2015, 03:06 AM
 
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While the US have done some disgusting actions (supply ISIS, overthrow several governments, support fascist dictatorships, killing other heads of state, financing terrorism all over the world, etc), I doubt it can still be considered the "worst".
A very hypocrite way of presenting themselves for sure (the #1, the champions of freedom/democracy, the best of da best, the best way is the American way rhetoric and so on).
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Old 09-01-2015, 03:38 AM
 
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This can be a teachable moment for you.

The United States is not an empire. When lying, hypocritical liberal vermin said that it was, they lied.

We are not protecting these sites, nor the rights of the millions affected by ISIS, because we are not an empire, and the majoirty of Americans living in this republic have decided that it is none of our business and have decided to back a president that acts acccordingly.

No empire here, just a republic that functions surpisingly well desptie the crying and accusations towards every politician as being "worse than Hilter."
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Finland
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If you look back at some empires, like the Mongol and Timurid ones, USA can hardly be considered the worst. In any case, if you're not Serbian, Chilean or Iraqi, USA has done more harm than good to very few countries in the world.

When Timur waged war, he killed around 5% of the world's population. Today that would equal to 350 million casualties.
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:58 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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It is best for an international coalition to solve the problems in the world, go after rogue organizations and keep the straying countries in line. Going it alone should become a thing of the past.
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:03 AM
 
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This can be a teachable moment for you.

The United States is not an empire. When lying, hypocritical liberal vermin said that it was, they lied.

We are not protecting these sites, nor the rights of the millions affected by ISIS, because we are not an empire, and the majoirty of Americans living in this republic have decided that it is none of our business and have decided to back a president that acts acccordingly.

No empire here, just a republic that functions surpisingly well desptie the crying and accusations towards every politician as being "worse than Hilter."
They could have decided that before messing everything up though.
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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No, but it's the only one still in existence.

There are two kinds of empires, which shlulld be kept distinct in such a discussion. Expansionist and Exploitative.

Expansionist empires try to become the power center of their immediate region, expanding their borders to include neighboring cultures.

Exploitative empires run around the world trying to cash in on the resources of defenseless distant lands.

The USA ihas become an Exploitative empire, like Britain. France and Portugal were in recent centuries, and most shamefully, Belgium. But in its first century, the US was more expansionist. Japan and the USSR recently were examples of an expansionist empire, seeking only to be the central power of a geographical region, and leaving the rest of the world alone.

The fact that the US loses interest and quits when they get seriously challenged, does not diminish the adventurist belief in their entitlement to dominate an empire.
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