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Old 09-13-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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You are quoting a conspiracy theorist and an anti-Semite????
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And who pronounced him one? You ever paid attention to who are practically all history books authors?
Only the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith ... the largest Jewish organization in the Western Hemisphere. Also the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Look up Jeff Rense in Wikipedia.
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Old 09-14-2015, 11:33 AM
 
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slpc lol
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Old 09-14-2015, 11:43 AM
 
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Only the Anti-Defamation League of the B'nai B'rith ... the largest Jewish organization in the Western Hemisphere. Also the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Look up Jeff Rense in Wikipedia.
You're trolling in this thread. Go back and read post #27 and tell me why exactly you are posting in this thread yet again? Go back to the political controversies forum.

Do you know the difference between a link and a quote? Obviously not since you want to throw accusations around. I don't give a **** about the slpc or jeff rense, whoever that even is. Yes, he wrote the article I LINKED to.

Are you a fascist? This is a thread about statistics, income, and views the majority may have had against a minority.

In short, unless you want to comment on the actual questions posed in this thread and refrain yourself from trying to dictate the content in it's entirety, you are a troll. Go away.
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Old 09-14-2015, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Looks like somebody doth protest too much.
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Old 09-18-2015, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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I will just make a couple of comments here.

First the idea that Jews were all wealthy industrialists is a nonsense. Most Jews were relatively poor and especially in eastern Europe. Occupations such as glazier, tailor, painter or postman were just as common amongst Jews as they were in the rest of the population.

Second, there had been widespread persecution of Jews in eastern Europe since around 1860 and even before. This prompted around three million to flee/emigrate between 1860 and 1910. Most went to the USA but a lot also went to Western Europe.

Third, a great many of these Jewish immigrants integrated and quite a lot either became non-religious or converted. In Nazi Germany, the racial laws were based on descent. So, even if your grandparents had converted or become non-religious, you were still Jewish in the eyes of the state.
There are also regional differences in the Jewish communities depending on the country.

In Eastern Europe, they tended to live a more separate existence from the rest of the population, such as in predominately Jewish communities called shtetls.

In Germany and in other Western European countries, the Jewish people there were more assimilated into the culture of their non-Jewish countrymen.

And yes, Jews in Europe could be found in every economic strata.
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Old 09-23-2015, 11:46 PM
 
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Depending upon who you believe the Jews of Europe have been persecuted by one monarch/government or another for hundreds if not thousands of years.

It does not help that Jews as a group are notably industrious, studious and as a result usually wealthy. Most all the great money lenders and or bankers of Europe historically were Jews. Many of the Jewish faith take seriously Chazakah, the command about owning property.

Christians from kings on down may have resented having to borrow money from the Jews, but often they were the only ones with funding to lend.

European Christians by and large have never wholly trusted those of the Jewish faith. Everything the latter believes in goes against the former.

Jewish men made up several of the murderers who killed Czar Nicholas II and his family. If you believe the story supposedly the orders to murder the Romanovs came from a powerful financial Jewish syndicate in New York City.

Long story short the answer to OP's query is probably yes, Jews all over Europe had amassed great fortunes and wealth along with industries including banking, real estate and so forth.

One of the first things Nazi's did when occupying lands/countries is start making lists of the Jewish population and their assets. As Jews found the noses tided tighter around their necks many of their former "friends" and neighbors took delight in humiliating them and or sticking the knives in deeper. In Austria Jewish families that once lived in very wealthy parts of town were forced to lick the sidewalks while their neighbors (and former friends) looked on an applauded/cheered.

Everywhere Jewish property and assets were systematically stripped both by orders of the Nazis and or local governments under so called "orders". In places like France several enterprising persons preyed on Jews.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Petiot

MFS-The Resource Center Blog: ⅏Did You Know: Marcel Petiot, The French Doctor Who Was A Serial Killer

Proof of this "hatred" if you will of Jews in Europe can be found in that over seventy years since WWII ended state museums, art galleries and other sources in France and other European countries still have not come clean about Jewish property seized or otherwise came into their hands during or after WWII much less make attempts at return.

Prior to WWII many European Jews amassed great collections of art, sliver, properties and other valuable assets that Christians were more than envious about. Well they (Christian Europe) got them back the old fashioned way and aren't in any hurry to return them all.
I thought Jews could not own land in Christian Europe. Also Kings, and Lords commanded men at arms. Might makes right. Why would kings care about Jewish lenders back then? They could have just taken the money from them. Or unless the Jewish lenders were working for a more powerful lord.

And if Jewish people were so hated, why did they never try to ban together and take over some land, and make it their own? That way they will be safe from Christians.
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Old 09-24-2015, 01:25 AM
 
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I thought Jews could not own land in Christian Europe.
Christian Europe is rather diverse and the history of the relationship between Jews and the various European nations that they lived in cannot be lumped together in broad generalizations. So my advice is to pick a specific country, with a particular and reasonable time frame.

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Also Kings, and Lords commanded men at arms. Might makes right. Why would kings care about Jewish lenders back then? They could have just taken the money from them. Or unless the Jewish lenders were working for a more powerful lord.
In the Holy Roman Empire, monarchs who confiscated the money of Jewish banks and lenders where would they get money the next time they were in dire need of it? Lending money with interest was prohibited by the Catholic Church, which for the most part was all of continental Europe. Only Jews were allowed to do so.

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And if Jewish people were so hated, why did they never try to ban together and take over some land, and make it their own? That way they will be safe from Christians.
How does one ban together one of Europe's smallest minorities that was scattered across the continent? I would suppose that any attempt to assemble a Jewish army some yet to identified in the face of well financed and trained armies seems rather facetious one would think.
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Old 09-27-2015, 07:22 AM
 
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Hate to break it to you but the Jews today in the US pretty much control everything too.
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Old 09-27-2015, 08:54 AM
 
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The Jews declared war on Germany long before WW2.
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Old 09-27-2015, 12:04 PM
 
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Hate to break it to you but the Jews today in the US pretty much control everything too.
you'll get no argument here
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