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Old 09-08-2015, 12:36 PM
 
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I was reading about Jewish power in Germany from the late 1800's -early 1940's. For never even being 1% of the German population it sure looks like they controlled almost everything. Banks, manufacturing, arts/entertainment, etc, etc.

I can't help but wonder, did the Germans view the Jews the same way so many Americans view the 1%? That's the opinion part...

If there are any economic historians reading...in a factual comparison how would the pre-WWII German wealth divide compare to the current US wealth divide?
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Old 09-08-2015, 01:18 PM
 
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I was reading about Jewish power in Germany from the late 1800's -early 1940's. For never even being 1% of the German population it sure looks like they controlled almost everything. Banks, manufacturing, arts/entertainment, etc, etc.

I can't help but wonder, did the Germans view the Jews the same way so many Americans view the 1%? That's the opinion part...

If there are any economic historians reading...in a factual comparison how would the pre-WWII German wealth divide compare to the current US wealth divide?

I believe it came more about how the Jewish shopkeepers after WWI kind of turned their backs on the new and recent poor. Remember, Germany was devastated financially after WWI. France wanted payback. Big time. Demanding, and awarded, 300 Billion in war reparations....pretty much spelled a temporary end to life as most Germans knew it. That, except for shopkeepers who distributed goods.

Not sure the real, real details of this but, out of this new found hatred, Kristallnacht (Crystal Night) was born. The nights of November 9-10 1938 where the Jewish shopkeepers stores were looted and homes burned as well as their synagogues.

Allegedly, they were the ones with moderate wealth while others starved and Hitler was able to get the finger pointed to them as the reason most Germans were doing so poorly. Not sure how much of the charity, or lack thereof, was real but, Hitler and his leaders were able to convince an entire country that the Jews were to blame. And the Holocaust was born.

It would be interesting to hear how much of this was true (wealth/poor) during those years. Hitler started sowing the seeds of hatred in the late 20's/early 30's and by 1933 was in full swing. I think he held a bitter resentment of the Jews who did not fight in WWI and were at home pushing financial deals abroad. Real or imagined, he turned it into a killing machine. Hard to believe he could rise to such prominence with such open hatred for anyone.

Of course, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, and others were able to do the exact same thing. So...there's....that....
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Old 09-08-2015, 01:33 PM
 
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No that is a very misleading comparison. The anti-Semitic sentiment in Germany in particular then and also world-wide was and is based on racism mainly and not economic inequality. The Jew was to be persecuted and killed based on his/her racial configuration which somehow was pure evil and out for the destruction of the Aryan race and Germany in particular. I have not heard anyone reasonable speak in these terms about the 1% in the US, unless they are racist themselves and speak of a Jewish member of the 1%. I don't know but you should listen to a Nazi speech or read one of their articles from 1930s/40s Germany then you would clearly see the difference. Have you guys ever heard of the "Stuermer" magazine?
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Old 09-08-2015, 01:54 PM
 
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Anti-semitism has been alive and well for many, many years, long before Hitler and his Nazis elevated it to an evil art form. I would imagine that economic jealousy plays a part; after all, there has been a long history of the poor masses hating the well-off few, especially if they belong to identifiably different groups. But I would imagine that out-and-out racism would explain most of the Nazi's views towards the Jews. I don't see that as being the same as the modern-day anti-1% at all.
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:13 PM
 
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could it be said that Jews oppressed Germans prior to WWII? The amount of control/influence they apparently had for being less than 1% of the pop just amazes me. Pre-WWI as well. Just trying to understand.
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Old 09-08-2015, 03:57 PM
 
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could it be said that Jews oppressed Germans prior to WWII? The amount of control/influence they apparently had for being less than 1% of the pop just amazes me. Pre-WWI as well. Just trying to understand.
So which of the major German Corps did the Jews supposedly control pre-WW2 and who took their control away afterwards? The Nuremberg trials? The Allies? This sounds a bit like Nazi nonsense here. Please show us how the Jews controlled Siemens, Bayer, BASF, Daimler, Krupp etc. and then lost control after WW2?
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Old 09-08-2015, 04:10 PM
 
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I believe it came more about how the Jewish shopkeepers after WWI kind of turned their backs on the new and recent poor. Remember, Germany was devastated financially after WWI. France wanted payback. Big time. Demanding, and awarded, 300 Billion in war reparations....pretty much spelled a temporary end to life as most Germans knew it. That, except for shopkeepers who distributed goods.
It - ie, anti-semitism in Germany - existed for many centuries before World War I.

The Middle Ages were a terrible time for Jews in Germany. The Crusaders would often slaughter Jews while en route to the Holy Land, and the Black Death saw quite a bit of blame on Jews for the deaths, with the predictable reprisals against them. Things generally improved during the Enlightenment, but there were still spates of Jewish persecution. There were pogroms in the 19th century. Even during the good times, when the populace was inclined towards benevolence, there was a simmering anti-Semitism just waiting for times to turn and the people to cast about for the usual scapegoats.

Hitler tapped into that - it wasn't France or shopkeepers that caused such things as Kristallnacht and Auschwitz.

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could it be said that Jews oppressed Germans prior to WWII? The amount of control/influence they apparently had for being less than 1% of the pop just amazes me. Pre-WWI as well. Just trying to understand.
It could, if you're penning a column for Stormfront.
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Old 09-08-2015, 04:12 PM
 
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You all know Jews had war declared on Germany in 1933? Yes, in 1933.


Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime. The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine. In short, the result was a tactical alliance between the Nazis and the founders of the modern-day state of Israel - a fact that many today would prefer be forgotten.


The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany: The Economic Boycott of 1933. M. Raphael Johnson, Ph.D.


How about this:


In the early twentieth century, a dense corporate network was created among the large German corporations ("Germany Inc."). About 16% of the members of this
corporate network were of Jewish background. At the center of the network (big linkers) about 25% were Jewish. The percentage of Jews in the general populationwas less than 1% in 1914. What comparative advantages did the Jewish minority enjoy that enabled them to succeed in the competition for leading positions in theGerman economy? Three hypotheses are tested: (1) The Jewish economic elite had a better education compared to the non-
Jewish members ofthe network (human capital). (2) Jewish members had a central position in the corporate network,because many of them were engaged infinance and banking. (3) Jewish members created a network of their own that was separate from the overarching corporatenetwork (social capital). The density of this Jewish network was higher than that of
the non-Jewish economic elite (embeddedness). Our data do not support any of
these hypotheses. The observed correlation between Jewish background and
economic success cannot be explained by a higher level of education, a higher level
of social capital, or a higher proportion of Jewish managers engaged in (private)
banking
https://www.uni-trier.de/fileadmin/f...S577June10.pdf
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Old 09-08-2015, 08:28 PM
 
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I believe it came more about how the Jewish shopkeepers after WWI kind of turned their backs on the new and recent poor. Remember, Germany was devastated financially after WWI. France wanted payback. Big time. Demanding, and awarded, 300 Billion in war reparations....pretty much spelled a temporary end to life as most Germans knew it. That, except for shopkeepers who distributed goods.

Not sure the real, real details of this but, out of this new found hatred, Kristallnacht (Crystal Night) was born. The nights of November 9-10 1938 where the Jewish shopkeepers stores were looted and homes burned as well as their synagogues.

Allegedly, they were the ones with moderate wealth while others starved and Hitler was able to get the finger pointed to them as the reason most Germans were doing so poorly. Not sure how much of the charity, or lack thereof, was real but, Hitler and his leaders were able to convince an entire country that the Jews were to blame. And the Holocaust was born.

It would be interesting to hear how much of this was true (wealth/poor) during those years. Hitler started sowing the seeds of hatred in the late 20's/early 30's and by 1933 was in full swing. I think he held a bitter resentment of the Jews who did not fight in WWI and were at home pushing financial deals abroad. Real or imagined, he turned it into a killing machine. Hard to believe he could rise to such prominence with such open hatred for anyone.

Of course, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, and others were able to do the exact same thing. So...there's....that....
Didnt Hitler already enact a lot of anti-semitic acts before Kristallnacht? And many jews fled Germany before the official Holocaust actually started right? Not sure of exact numbers though. I mean, Hitler blaiming Jews was a large part of his shtick from the very beginning.
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Old 09-08-2015, 08:36 PM
 
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You all know Jews had war declared on Germany in 1933? Yes, in 1933.


Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime. The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine. In short, the result was a tactical alliance between the Nazis and the founders of the modern-day state of Israel - a fact that many today would prefer be forgotten.


The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany: The Economic Boycott of 1933. M. Raphael Johnson, Ph.D.


How about this:


In the early twentieth century, a dense corporate network was created among the large German corporations ("Germany Inc."). About 16% of the members of this
corporate network were of Jewish background. At the center of the network (big linkers) about 25% were Jewish. The percentage of Jews in the general populationwas less than 1% in 1914. What comparative advantages did the Jewish minority enjoy that enabled them to succeed in the competition for leading positions in theGerman economy? Three hypotheses are tested: (1) The Jewish economic elite had a better education compared to the non-
Jewish members ofthe network (human capital). (2) Jewish members had a central position in the corporate network,because many of them were engaged infinance and banking. (3) Jewish members created a network of their own that was separate from the overarching corporatenetwork (social capital). The density of this Jewish network was higher than that of
the non-Jewish economic elite (embeddedness). Our data do not support any of
these hypotheses. The observed correlation between Jewish background and
economic success cannot be explained by a higher level of education, a higher level
of social capital, or a higher proportion of Jewish managers engaged in (private)
banking
https://www.uni-trier.de/fileadmin/f...S577June10.pdf
So is it 16% or 25%?
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