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Old 10-19-2015, 04:17 PM
 
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In America: The Indian Wars.
The Indian wars isn't germane. The Indian wars were on again off again without a consistent policy. We also used other indians as scouts and collaborators nor was there a coordinated policy for extermination.

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Let's not forget, too, that a Jewish revolt in Germany would have evoked no sympathetic response from other nations at that time, not even the US. Rather, every other Western nation (plus the USSR) would have responded to such a revolt by more tightly controlling their own Jewish populations.
I don't get that. No one in Washington, London or Paris was under any illusion to the dangers of the Nazi regime. Moscow would certainly have supported any movement that threatened the Nazis up until 1939 and the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, especially if it was connected to the KPD.
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Old 10-19-2015, 04:42 PM
 
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The Indian wars isn't germane. The Indian wars were on again off again without a consistent policy. We also used other indians as scouts and collaborators nor was there a coordinated policy for extermination.
And even without a consistent national policy, the Indians still lost...which is my point.

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I don't get that. No one in Washington, London or Paris was under any illusion to the dangers of the Nazi regime. Moscow would certainly have supported any movement that threatened the Nazis up until 1939 and the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, especially if it was connected to the KPD.
You're underestimating the power of anti-Semitism in the 30s.
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Old 10-19-2015, 05:07 PM
 
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The Indian wars isn't germane. The Indian wars were on again off again without a consistent policy. We also used other indians as scouts and collaborators nor was there a coordinated policy for extermination.



I don't get that. No one in Washington, London or Paris was under any illusion to the dangers of the Nazi regime. Moscow would certainly have supported any movement that threatened the Nazis up until 1939 and the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, especially if it was connected to the KPD.
You don't have a clue do you?

Anti-Semitism was rife in almost every single government you mentioned including the United States.

Just off the top of one's head but there are pages..... Franklin Delano Roosevelt

In particular the US State Department as was its counterpart in GB was run and populated by WASP/upper class to wealthy white Protestant males. The few Jews in positions of power within government such as Robert Morgenthau fought an often uphill battle on behalf of the European Jews.

They do say the bending over backwards for the Jews you saw by the United States and other governments post WWII was in hindsight for their inaction during the War.
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Old 10-19-2015, 09:02 PM
 
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Easily.
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Old 10-20-2015, 06:00 PM
 
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You don't have a clue do you?
Hold on there Hoss, I don't think that we've been properly introduced.

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Anti-Semitism was rife in almost every single government you mentioned including the United States.
There are and have been degrees of anti-semitism, from "not in my country club" to "not in my country." The anti-semitism of Nazi Germany or parts of eastern Europe did simply did not have an equal in the U.S. France, Great Britain.
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Old 10-20-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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There are and have been degrees of anti-semitism, from "not in my country club" to "not in my country." The anti-semitism of Nazi Germany or parts of eastern Europe did simply did not have an equal in the U.S. France, Great Britain.
The US was of the "not in my country" degree with regard to German Jews attempting to escape Germany in 1939. It's rather specious to think that after an armed uprising, German Jews would have been any more welcomed or that the US would have supported their uprising against the recognized legitimate German government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

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Old 10-21-2015, 05:13 AM
 
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In America: The Indian Wars.

Let's not forget, too, that a Jewish revolt in Germany would have evoked no sympathetic response from other nations at that time, not even the US. Rather, every other Western nation (plus the USSR) would have responded to such a revolt by more tightly controlling their own Jewish populations.
the land owners and bankers didn't want to just exterminate the native americans...they wanted their land...if they gave up their land then great, if not THEN plan b
when gold was discovered this went into overdrive

sure there was probably a lot of hatred for the natives, but nowhere near the scale hitler and the Nazis had for the jews

not condoning what was done to the native americans, but it is not even close to the same thing
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Old 10-21-2015, 05:50 AM
 
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the land owners and bankers didn't want to just exterminate the native americans...they wanted their land...if they gave up their land then great, if not THEN plan b
when gold was discovered this went into overdrive

sure there was probably a lot of hatred for the natives, but nowhere near the scale hitler and the Nazis had for the jews

not condoning what was done to the native americans, but it is not even close to the same thing
The point is that the Indians did not prevail through being armed.
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Old 10-21-2015, 07:40 AM
 
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Easily.
Um...no. I know that attacks a great pillar of the current gun debate, but armed Jews weren't going to stop the Holocaust.

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The point is that the Indians did not prevail through being armed.
I understood your point and it was a good one.
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Old 10-21-2015, 08:03 AM
 
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The point is that the Indians did not prevail through being armed.
this is true
but many of them died standing...fighting...

I think if the jews had been armed, less of them would have died in the camps, more would have died fighting...similar outcome though...
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