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Old 11-20-2015, 07:53 AM
 
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None of these countries are strong enough to stand up to the allies, and all of the powers strong enough to protect him want his head. Should he somehow disappear he would become the most hunted man in 1945, more so than Osama bin Laden who the US started a war to find.

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stead of committing suicide in the Fuhrerbunker, Could Hitler have fled to any of these countries in Spring of 1945 and could these countries have feasably granted Hitler asylum? Why or why not?

Argentina......an obvious choice. Many many Nazi officials utilized this. Why do this and not be willing to accept their leader? Hitler could have fled here.

Japan......another obvious choice. Hitler's still undefeated ally.

Romania: An Axis affiliated state which the Soviets had not successfully invaded. Switched sides ONLY because of the impending defeat of Nazi Germany and NOTHING MORE. Self preservation move having guaranteed that they will not be invaded by the reds, they had masked loyalty reasons with nothing to lose if they granted Hitler asylum.

Thailand: A Japanese economic "ally" which did anything to please Japan so that they would not be invaded. Unlike Japan, they were not at war with the allies. A telegram request from Hitler to the Japanese emperor could have resulted in Japan pressing Thailand to grant Hitler asylum, to which they would reluctantly relent.

Cambodia: Japanese puppet state, would grant Hitler asylum on Japan's say so. Not under threat of US invasion later.
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Old 11-20-2015, 09:06 AM
 
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Romania switched sides because the King led a resistance effort. He first sided with the Germans because he thought it would be an opportunity to regain Bessarabia (Moldova), and felt obligated to try to reunite the country. When that proved impossible, he started communicating secretly with Allied forces. He's credited with shortening the war by 6 months by switching sides.
That sounds like the spin the Romanians put out after the allied victory. Romania was in big with Germans and had their eyes set not only on Moldova, but Odessa and points further east as well.

Even after Stalingrad where a Romanian army was mauled and distergrated, they remained committed to the Axis as Germany was still seen as being able to force a stalemate on the eastern front that would leave them with Moldova and Odessa. Romania only thought about switching sides when the strategic soviet offensives after Kharkov could not be stopped, Soviet armoured columns were advancing 30-50 miles a day and were due to appear on Romania's door step in weeks (or with in days).
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Old 11-25-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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Hitler could have fled but he never would have left his people under any circumstances.
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Old 11-25-2015, 07:07 PM
 
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Hitler could have fled but he never would have left his people under any circumstances.
Sorry..HIS people?? You mean those who hated Jews..forced the young males to march in goose step..?? His people was in his head..Most of his henchmen did flee and were found distributed worldwide....BUT Hitler was mentally irrational..and felt he could hunker down in his HOLE...LOL..That's where he died eventually...HATEFUL man..small man syndrome..Controll freak...BUT I do NOT believe he could have fled..His profile too well known..That moustache and face would have been recognized worldwide!! DEADMAN WALKING!! SO took easy way out..LOL I say LOL because given his mentality..He actually illustrates how any radical/extremist mind's work....

It's happening today..Those volunteer to sacrifice themselves for a cause?? Why ..because THEY cannot visualize living in this world ....course fed by lies and promises by some extremist..IF it wasn't so sad..It would be LOL ridiculous!!

Eastern/Western/American/Canadian..who care..Low informed made to feel irrelevant will mostly always feel what I said above and so susceptible to propaganda ...The sooner parents and friends realize this the better!!

See something.say something...It isn't always drugs..It could be lack of parental controls, or loss of self esteem..Religious demands beyond acceptable..The list is endless in a democratic society. BUT..In ME Countries..It's black and white...Either succumb to extreme demands or DIE!! How many in a free Country actually have to face that?? NEVER!!
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Old 11-28-2015, 06:04 PM
 
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Hitler could have fled but he never would have left his people under any circumstances.

*His people*?


A good majority of Germans especially in the military and government knew or soon figured out Hitler was a madman. Problem was by then both the populace and military were in so deep even over throwing and handing AH over to the Allies on a silver plate wouldn't save Germany. The collective blood of the thousands murdered in the camps or otherwise by the Nazis not to mention the suffering and death Germany unleashed upon Europe all but sealed that country's fate.


Hitler, Goebbels and others really only managed to keep the support of the German population for the war by constantly reminding them of what happened after WWI. The Allies couldn't understand why Germans continued to support Hitler/the war even as their cities, towns and villages were being leveled and conditions becoming increasingly dire. The Nazi party did such good job getting a bulk of Germany to drink the Kool-Aid they were serving that many would (and or did) go to their graves believing "Herr Hitler" was that country's savior.


That being said that madman couldn't be entirely sure of what average Germans would do to him. After hearing about how his once former ally Benito Mussolini met a grisly end the madman's previous resolve to commit suicide was strengthened.


All this being said Hitler like the rest of the Nazis, German military and populace for that matter were more worried about the advancing Russian military than anything else. The efforts/reaction by "his people" would mean little to Hitler if captured by the Russians. Though perhaps a bit more nuanced Stalin was just as mad as Hitler and would have had no problems ordering a stronger scorched earth policy to any area and or persons found hiding or otherwise supporting that man.
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Old 11-30-2015, 11:59 AM
 
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Yes, I'm sure it's probably a conspiracy theory, but have you seen the new show talking about this? About the 93km of underground tunnels already in place (some were converted to handle the current subway system)--that connected the underground bunker directly to the airport.


There are accepted records showing the last flights out of Berlin were April 21st--the day after the last time he was seen publicly, carrying 14 (unnamed) passengers and on one of the manifests they note that one of the suitcases contain Hitler's personal clothing and possessions. Even if you wanted to call them "souvenirs" why would he send his clothes somewhere if he was planning suicide?


I don't know if he ended up somewhere else or not. I would think if he did, it probably wouldn't have been for long. Going from "going to rule the world" to "hiding out and being invisible" would have probably seemed like a huge failure--from what I've heard of him, it doesn't seem likely.


Anyway, my point was--suicide wasn't the only option. It would have been: surrender, suicide or use the tunnels to leave.
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Old 11-30-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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Well, anything was "possible" but if we follow the generally accepted historical timeline Hitler had been abandoned by just about everyone in his inner-circle save Goebbels. Himmler and Goering were both on the outs and accused of having betrayed him. He was truly backed into a corner. Hitler never thought he was going to live long, one of the reasons for his timetable on starting the war. He tied his life and fortune to that of Germany itself, they were going to rise and fall together. Sitting in the bunker with no hope for saving Germany and finally admitting the war was lost, Hitler embarked on his plan for suicide and the burning of the bodies to avoid "becoming a spectacle" like Mussolini.

When you put all of the pieces together regarding Hitler's views, his mental state, the status of his inner-circle, etc. the fact he committed suicide becomes one of his most reasonable acts.
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Old 12-03-2015, 10:18 AM
 
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if he had shaved off the moustache, shaved his head...worn peasant clothing, claimed to have NO papers because he was a Hungarian Jew in hiding, he might have escaped capture...think about it...that stache was SO recognizable that his other features were down played...

I think the ability to escape was there,,,he easily could have

but as mentioned that was NOT what he was about...he was going down with the ship...I think that evil sob believed in what he was doing with every ounce of his being...
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Old 12-03-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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if he had shaved off the moustache, shaved his head...worn peasant clothing, claimed to have NO papers because he was a Hungarian Jew in hiding, he might have escaped capture...think about it...that stache was SO recognizable that his other features were down played...

I think the ability to escape was there,,,he easily could have

but as mentioned that was NOT what he was about...he was going down with the ship...I think that evil sob believed in what he was doing with every ounce of his being...

Queen Marie-Antoinette dressed as a maid in her attempt to flee with her family to Austria. When at Varennes more than a few persons became suspicious of this so called "maid" who was going around giving orders and acting anything but..... Long story short soon the game was up and the rest of that sad tale is known to all.


Moral of the story is you cannot pretend long to be something that you are not. Sooner or later one's true nature/personality comes out.


Hitler was a mad man with a HUGE dose of megalomania. The idea of him blending in as an ordinary anything just likely wasn't in his DNA.
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Old 12-03-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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He had another way out if he had chosen it. He could have just got captured and explained that he was framed & used as a fall guy for the Nazis and was more or less held captive and used by them.

Nope. Shortly before his suicide, he received the report of Benito Mussolini's fate and decided to kill himself soon after. Eva Braun, after learning of Clara Petacci's fate, probably decided the same.
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