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Old 11-14-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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stead of committing suicide in the Fuhrerbunker, Could Hitler have fled to any of these countries in Spring of 1945 and could these countries have feasably granted Hitler asylum? Why or why not?

Argentina......an obvious choice. Many many Nazi officials utilized this. Why do this and not be willing to accept their leader? Hitler could have fled here.

Japan......another obvious choice. Hitler's still undefeated ally.

Romania: An Axis affiliated state which the Soviets had not successfully invaded. Switched sides ONLY because of the impending defeat of Nazi Germany and NOTHING MORE. Self preservation move having guaranteed that they will not be invaded by the reds, they had masked loyalty reasons with nothing to lose if they granted Hitler asylum.

Thailand: A Japanese economic "ally" which did anything to please Japan so that they would not be invaded. Unlike Japan, they were not at war with the allies. A telegram request from Hitler to the Japanese emperor could have resulted in Japan pressing Thailand to grant Hitler asylum, to which they would reluctantly relent.

Cambodia: Japanese puppet state, would grant Hitler asylum on Japan's say so. Not under threat of US invasion later.
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Old 11-14-2015, 01:54 PM
 
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Wasn't one "Why didn't Hitler escape?" thread enough for you to start?

//www.city-data.com/forum/histo...er-escape.html

Look, Hitler's personality was do-or-die. He spoke many times in his life of killing himself if things went south. Suicide was easy, he claimed on various occasions. He loved Wagner and was fixated with the Götterdämmerung. He was always going to commit suicide before facing defeat.

In 1943 the OSS prepared a report titled A Psychological Analysis of Adolf Hitler. It explicitly predicted that he would refuse any negotiated peace or surrender and would fight to the bitter end, ultimately committing suicide when that end was imminent. And that's exactly what happened.

So, yes, Hitler could have escaped (whether he could have remained unapprehended is by no means certain, however). By since he had zero interest in doing so, what is the point of these questions?
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Old 11-14-2015, 02:06 PM
 
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He had another way out if he had chosen it. He could have just got captured and explained that he was framed & used as a fall guy for the Nazis and was more or less held captive and used by them.
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Old 11-14-2015, 02:17 PM
 
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stead of committing suicide in the Fuhrerbunker, Could Hitler have fled to any of these countries in Spring of 1945 and could these countries have feasably granted Hitler asylum? Why or why not?

Argentina......an obvious choice. Many many Nazi officials utilized this. Why do this and not be willing to accept their leader? Hitler could have fled here.

Japan......another obvious choice. Hitler's still undefeated ally.

Romania: An Axis affiliated state which the Soviets had not successfully invaded. Switched sides ONLY because of the impending defeat of Nazi Germany and NOTHING MORE. Self preservation move having guaranteed that they will not be invaded by the reds, they had masked loyalty reasons with nothing to lose if they granted Hitler asylum.

Thailand: A Japanese economic "ally" which did anything to please Japan so that they would not be invaded. Unlike Japan, they were not at war with the allies. A telegram request from Hitler to the Japanese emperor could have resulted in Japan pressing Thailand to grant Hitler asylum, to which they would reluctantly relent.

Cambodia: Japanese puppet state, would grant Hitler asylum on Japan's say so. Not under threat of US invasion later.
Romania switched sides because the King led a resistance effort. He first sided with the Germans because he thought it would be an opportunity to regain Bessarabia (Moldova), and felt obligated to try to reunite the country. When that proved impossible, he started communicating secretly with Allied forces. He's credited with shortening the war by 6 months by switching sides.

If Hitler had gone to Argentina, even with asylum, he'd have had to keep an impossibly low profile. Imagine all the people who'd have wanted to find him and bump him off. And how would he have gotten out of Germany safely? With the Allies bearing down on him? Would've been extremely difficult to pull off.

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Old 11-14-2015, 03:03 PM
 
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If Hitler had gone to Argentina, even with asylum, he'd have had to keep an impossibly low profile.
Mengele and Eichmann were relatively unknowns so it was understandable that one was never found and the other able to remain hidden for years, but eventually Eichmann was found. For Hitler, the most known face in the universe at the time to go anywhere seems like an absolute impossibility.
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Old 11-14-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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Historically speaking, who cares?

When it comes to someone like Hitler, in my book there are no what ifs. That human being deserved to die. And in the end he died, and that's all that matters. Someone like Hitler doesn't deserve to live anywhere for any reason, so suicide or murder it's the same result, and a good one.
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Old 11-14-2015, 03:15 PM
 
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stead of committing suicide in the Fuhrerbunker, Could Hitler have fled to any of these countries in Spring of 1945 and could these countries have feasably granted Hitler asylum? Why or why not?

Argentina......an obvious choice. Many many Nazi officials utilized this. Why do this and not be willing to accept their leader? Hitler could have fled here.

Japan......another obvious choice. Hitler's still undefeated ally.

Romania: An Axis affiliated state which the Soviets had not successfully invaded. Switched sides ONLY because of the impending defeat of Nazi Germany and NOTHING MORE. Self preservation move having guaranteed that they will not be invaded by the reds, they had masked loyalty reasons with nothing to lose if they granted Hitler asylum.

Thailand: A Japanese economic "ally" which did anything to please Japan so that they would not be invaded. Unlike Japan, they were not at war with the allies. A telegram request from Hitler to the Japanese emperor could have resulted in Japan pressing Thailand to grant Hitler asylum, to which they would reluctantly relent.

Cambodia: Japanese puppet state, would grant Hitler asylum on Japan's say so. Not under threat of US invasion later.

Hitler's fate was tied to the Nazi Party. He knew it. Failure meant death. There is NO WAY he would have let himself fall into the hands of the Russians or any of his other vengeful enemies. No country in it's right mind would have given him asylum... think about it. It would be a guaranteed-to-fail idea that would most likely lead to the ouster of whatever leader granted it. The world was not about to let him escape, had he lived.
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Old 11-15-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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Wasn't one "Why didn't Hitler escape?" thread enough for you to start?

//www.city-data.com/forum/histo...er-escape.html

Look, Hitler's personality was do-or-die. He spoke many times in his life of killing himself if things went south. Suicide was easy, he claimed on various occasions. He loved Wagner and was fixated with the Götterdämmerung. He was always going to commit suicide before facing defeat.

In 1943 the OSS prepared a report titled A Psychological Analysis of Adolf Hitler. It explicitly predicted that he would refuse any negotiated peace or surrender and would fight to the bitter end, ultimately committing suicide when that end was imminent. And that's exactly what happened.

So, yes, Hitler could have escaped (whether he could have remained unapprehended is by no means certain, however). By since he had zero interest in doing so, what is the point of these questions?
Excellent point! Why don't we just start one thread titled "What if Hitler had been different?" and put all this stuff in one place?

(IMO, there really is no point in these questions, other than to continue to look for ways to defend Hitler.)
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Old 11-15-2015, 06:56 AM
 
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Wasn't one "Why didn't Hitler escape?" thread enough for you to start?

//www.city-data.com/forum/histo...er-escape.html
All is a derivative of Godwin's Law.

"Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Nazi analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"—​that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Hitler or Nazism."

Also similar to gawkers - who slow down to view terrible car accidents.

Why not move on to Pol Pot? Take time out to stream the move - The Killing Fields.
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Old 11-19-2015, 11:45 PM
 
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That wasn't his style, you should read Mein Kampt to get a good understanding of his psyche.
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