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Old 11-29-2015, 10:11 PM
 
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One reason he hated all Yugoslavs, except the Croations, who allied themselves with Nazis, was that they slaughtered Nazi Soldiers at every opportunity.
The anti-slavic hatred was very much present within Hitler and thus the Nazi Party well before the war. Hitler extensively derides the Slavs and "Slaviz-ation" in Mein Kampf.

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The Nazis implemented a Supremacy Ideology mostly to boost moral, a nation can lose many things it can never lose its pride. They didn't take it all that seriously.
That's a rather strange argument when one considers not only the numbers killed as a result of Nazi racial policies but in the level of devastation that Hitler was willing to bring upon the German people in their ideological pursuit.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:04 PM
 
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Well, considering the vast numbers of neo nazis in Russia who have committed vile racist acts the past few decades, I'd say whether the nazi's hated slavs or not back in Hitler's time is irrelevant these days. Just like the neo nazi skinheads in the UK.

Might have been enemies back in WW2, but doesn't matter these days. The 'movement' needs as many bodies as they can get.
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Old 11-30-2015, 02:29 AM
 
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They defeated them only because these people didn't understand their own "good" - what's good for them. I'm sure Hitler had plans for them, judging by what's described in previous wiki article.
It was not like Norway and Denmark had much chance against the German war machine. Even the Soviet Union struggled against the Nazis.
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Old 11-30-2015, 05:20 AM
 
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The collective name "Slavs" is derived from the word "slaves", literally. Germanic -Slavic competition for the land is going back well before Hitler. And, yes, ancestors of the Germanic people were there first. Slavs were later days indo-european invaders of Europe whose tide was reversed in the German forests, and as the name "slavs" suggests the defeats were epic. Names of many German cities have slavic origin, and the last German slavs were assimilated long after the name "slavs" was coined, I believe 18th century saw the last German (meaning territory ) slavs. Slavs are distant cousins of Germans origin wise. But as our Russian comrades could tell us, superiority delusions are 100% cultural, Russian culture created some fancy pecking order for the slavs, with Russians naturally at the top, so I dont see how we could blame Germans for their pecking order where slavs were/are at the bottom?

In the modern world status perception is intimately linked with economics. Arrested economic development of some Eastern European countries place those slavs at the bottom of an unofficial pecking order.

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Old 11-30-2015, 06:12 AM
 
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The collective name "Slavs" is derived from the word "slaves", literally.
Stop parroting this already. It has been disproven in this very thread that the word Slav does not come from the word slave.
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:13 AM
 
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Arrested economic development of some Eastern European countries place those slavs at the bottom of an unofficial pecking order.
Where is that coming from? Certainly before WWII Poland and Czechoslovakia were hardly economically backward countries.
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:16 AM
 
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But that's what makes them even more dangerous))))
Can you imagine, you adopt a little Russian, who looks like you, talks like you, but at the tender age of seven starts already pushing the Communist ideas?)))

See? Right there, in your face -

"For these nations, the Sclaveni and the Antae, are not ruled by one man, but they have lived from of old under a democracy, and consequently everything which involves their welfare, whether for good or for ill, is referred to the people. It is also true that in all other matters, practically speaking, these two barbarian peoples have had from ancient times the same institutions and customs. For they believe that one god, the maker of lightning, is alone lord of all things, and they sacrifice to him cattle and all other victims."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs


Not only that, they kept those Communist habits all the way through Tzarist times, where their peasants lived as the "communes" or "Mir"
And that's in the midst of advances of the Western world with all its "individualism," "personal responsibility" and the rest))))
So what do you do? Of course Slavs are dangerous, and Russians most of all))))
Comrade Erasure, it seems you equate slavs and Russians, a distinct hybrid of finno-ugric and slavic tribes. Russians were the only "slavs" who preserved peasant commune all way into 19 century, and there was little idyllic about it, unless you are into polygamy, domination and multiple perversions like that. gundyaevschina: the Russian Orthodox Church approves polygamy is a traditional Russian family way (Page 1) Google snohachestvo for more. Non Russians viewed Russian communal peasants as perverts, it kept Russian mir intact and ever more twisted. It is ironic that namely card holding communists destroyed Russian commune in the name of modernization.
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Old 11-30-2015, 06:27 AM
 
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Stop parroting this already. It has been disproven in this very thread that the word Slav does not come from the word slave.
it is the other way around, the word "slave" is likely derived from self description of slavic people. my mix up.

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Old 11-30-2015, 06:35 AM
 
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Where is that coming from? Certainly before WWII Poland and Czechoslovakia were hardly economically backward countries.
Poland was backward. Chechs were believed to be undeserving thieves of the German/Austrian industries. It was essentially the same legitimation trick Anglos used on Indians. "Ineffective" use of land and space warrants removal of ineffective users. And is rather universal and eternal trick. It is just a matter of time it will reemerge somewhere.
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Old 11-30-2015, 11:00 AM
 
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This has been posted a couple of times, along with the question regarding why we see Polish surnames in Germany and even among major figures during WW2. Here is a post of mine from another thread:

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The simple truth is that not all Slavs were "Slavs" in the eyes of Nazi racial ideology. Nazi racial theory held that the Slavs were a polluted offshoot of the Aryans. Bascially the product of Aryans intermingling with "lesser" races. They believed that some Slavic groups still retained sufficient Aryanness that they were fit for "Germanification". This was the process by which certain Slavic sub-groups would adopt German culture and be integrated into the fabric of the Reich. You also have the influence of a long history of Germans in areas of Poland and many of them had taken on Polish names. You also have the Ruhr Polish who were settled in Germany in the 1800's and while they retained their Polish names, they were considered to be "German". This is why you see Polish names dotted throughout the history of the Nazi era. To the Nazi's these people were NOT Slavs, they were "Germans" and integrated into the Volksdeutsche. The vast majority of Slavs did not fall into this category and were destined for a life of enslavement or extermination under the Nazi's.
So according to Nazi theories Slavs were basically the product of Aryans (the highest form of humanity) mixing with other earlier races. This concept was covered somewhat in another post of mine which cited the main influences upon Nazi racial ideology and exactly what was an "Aryan:

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The quick and dirty of Nazi racial ideology finds itself rooted in the work of Arthur Schopenhauer, Alfred Rosenberg and Hans Gunther among others involved in racial theory that was popular in the 19th and early 20th century. The direct ideas basically blend two somewhat different schools of thought into a unique form of racial ideology.

Aryan's aka Proto-Indo Europeans were considered the innately superior branch of humanity. There are multiple theories on their origin, but the one seemingly favord by the Nazi's is that the Aryan's existed on a now lost landmass off of Northern Europe (possibly Atlantis) in pre-history. They then migrated into the Northern German Plains and then moved south east into the Ukraine, Iran and India. Along the way they spawned civilization and in Iran and India founded the Zoroastrianism and Hinduism cultures.

Among those early Aryan's who created the "Caucasoid race" one could identify three subgroups: Nordic, Alpine and Mediteranean. Of these the Nordic was the closest to the original Aryan and most pure. The Nordic featured blond hair, blue eyes, etc. Of all the peoples considered Aryan, the Germanic peoples were the most "Nordic" along with those in Scandanavia.

Depending on the "theorist" and the time period, the term Aryan and Nordic were often used interchangably but this was not necessarily the view held by the Nazi's and was not always the dominant thought. Nordicism was highly popular in Germany even before the Nazi's took power and represented a racial ideal. As the Nazi's took power, though they preached and presented Nordic as an ideal, they did not show it to be inherently "superior" instead preferring to view all "Aryans" which included Nordics, Alpines and Mediteraneans with their various features as being the "master race". The most likely reason is that the "Greater Germany" contained many Aryan's that were not of the Nordic ideal, not the least of which was Hitler himself.

So, under the Nazi's, Nordic features became a sort of idealistic image but was not itself commenserate with one's place in the Reich or social standing. While Hitler was quite smitten with Nordic superiority in his early years, by 1939 he had very much backed off that stance instead embracing the idea of a "united spirit" of the Germanic/Aryan peoples. On the side, programs like the Lebensborn made some attempt to promoting the expansion of the Nordic racial ideal and the creation of a purer Aryan race by increasing the Nordic stock.
Put the pieces together and you get a decent picture of why the Nazi's viewed the majority of Slav's the way they did and why you see some of the imagery related to it. The Nazi's basically viewed the majority of Slav's as the bastard children of the Aryans and treated them as such.
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