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Old 01-06-2022, 04:45 PM
 
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The book "Striking Back" is about Israeli counter terrorism operations post the Munich Olympics. Toward the end, it tells why they slowed down which one of the reasons was that it wasn't in favorable public opinion.

https://www.amazon.com/Striking-Back.../dp/0812974638

Okay, I just watched a first season Mannix which involved Nazi hunters and one of the believiability questions was why would a counter agency need to hire a PI from the outside? While I can think of a few spy story reasons, such as a suspected leak in the "agency" and wanting to avoid that, let's talk about world opinion to such strikes in the 60s.

Was it in world opinion to do such? Or was the opinion to do it but do it only for the big ones?

Finally, for now, were there splinter groups to such "agencies" then?
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Old 01-06-2022, 05:12 PM
 
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The book "Striking Back" is about Israeli counter terrorism operations post the Munich Olympics. Toward the end, it tells why they slowed down which one of the reasons was that it wasn't in favorable public opinion.

https://www.amazon.com/Striking-Back.../dp/0812974638

Okay, I just watched a first season Mannix which involved Nazi hunters and one of the believiability questions was why would a counter agency need to hire a PI from the outside? While I can think of a few spy story reasons, such as a suspected leak in the "agency" and wanting to avoid that, let's talk about world opinion to such strikes in the 60s.

Was it in world opinion to do such? Or was the opinion to do it but do it only for the big ones?

Finally, for now, were there splinter groups to such "agencies" then?
Mannix was fiction...
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Old 01-06-2022, 06:13 PM
 
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Mannix was fiction...
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The questions, I will repeat, is what was the world opinion of hunters, Nazi and others that would hurt Jews, in the 60s? Were there splinter groups from "official" agencies?
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Old 01-06-2022, 07:44 PM
 
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i lived thru the 60s, i believe it was understood the need to get ex-nazis, jews protested the naming of a nasa medical search center after a "former" nazi doctor and the name was changed...people like dornberger and von-braun were well aware of slave-labor used in rocketry


a whole lot of people escaped prosecution simply by claiming ant-communism, richard nixon was even involved thru his work with the voice of america in securing former nazis release...i never heard of outage at getting nazis but plenty from shielding them
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Old 01-06-2022, 09:06 PM
 
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The questions, I will repeat, is what was the world opinion of hunters, Nazi and others that would hurt Jews, in the 60s? Were there splinter groups from "official" agencies?
I don't know about "splinter groups from official agencies," but I do know that Simon Wiesenthal (1908-2005), a Holocaust survivor, was one of the most famous of the Nazi-hunters. Wiesenthal started out as an independent Nazi-hunter compiling information for the United States War Crimes Office, and he later helped to establish agencies dedicated to continuing this work.

World opinion of him was very good, as he was nominated in 1986 for the international Nobel Peace Prize, and in 2004 he received an honorary knighthood from the British Royal Family.
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Old 01-07-2022, 06:16 AM
 
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The questions, I will repeat, is what was the world opinion of...
You ask for too much from this sort of venue.
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Were there splinter groups from "official" agencies?
Any "official" agency, almost by definition, will have hidden whatever they might be up to.
This gets us back to the fictionalized.

If really interested... do some "best seller" reading from the time or about the time.
There are about 500 more to choose among. These are a good start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bo..._Brazil_(novel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_Man_(novel)
(these were both made into films. Read the books.

A more current choice would be the Daniel Silva's books.
https://www.fantasticfiction.com/s/daniel-silva/gabriel-allon

Scene from a film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzw1_2b-I7A

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Old 01-07-2022, 06:55 AM
 
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You ask for too much from this sort of venue.
Any "official" agency, almost by definition, will have hidden whatever they might be up to.
This gets us back to the fictionalized.
..............

Not necessarily so......for we know about the counter strikes after Munich.
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Old 01-07-2022, 06:59 AM
 
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The book "Striking Back" is about Israeli counter terrorism operations post the Munich Olympics. Toward the end, it tells why they slowed down which one of the reasons was that it wasn't in favorable public opinion.

https://www.amazon.com/Striking-Back.../dp/0812974638

Okay, I just watched a first season Mannix which involved Nazi hunters and one of the believiability questions was why would a counter agency need to hire a PI from the outside? While I can think of a few spy story reasons, such as a suspected leak in the "agency" and wanting to avoid that, let's talk about world opinion to such strikes in the 60s.

Was it in world opinion to do such? Or was the opinion to do it but do it only for the big ones?

Finally, for now, were there splinter groups to such "agencies" then?
Munich Olympics were in 1972 but you are talking about the 60s? These are two distinct different subjects of course - counter-terrorism vs. nazi hunters. In the 60's there were Nazi's still around, many hiding in plain sight in South America, and of course silly rumours of Hitler still being alive. Obviously, Israeli Intelligence Mossad was very motivated on capturing them, and you had people like Simon Wiesenthal. The big catch in the 60s was Adolf Eichmann. Why did they slow down? Well obviously any remaining Nazi's that were left died off, except for the occasinal prison guard or two that still pop up from time to time. What did the world think of them? Well obviously no one likes Nazi's, no one objected to capturing nazis. Simon Wiesenthal is practically a legend. Any splinter groups? Mossad still exists obviously although the focus is now counter terrorism and elimination of state threats (i.e. assasinating nuclear engineers in Iran).

In regards to public opinion - again I think you are confusing two issues, Mossad's counter terrorism activity vs. Nazi Hunters. After Munich, Mossad targeted anyone and everyone involved in that event, it had nothing to do with nazi hunting. That was fine except an event in Lillehammer where they killed the wrong person. Obviously lots of people were angry.
There was a book and movie called I think "Vengeance" which I read, and watched, years ago, that purports to tell of the assassination squads used by Mossad during this event. It's fiction really, but it's based on true events.
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Old 01-07-2022, 08:43 AM
 
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What did the world think of them? Well obviously no one likes Nazi's, no one objected to capturing nazis. Simon Wiesenthal is practically a legend.
Just an edit to my text above - there was some blow-back on Mossad capturing Eichmann in Argentina. Argentina didn't like that to much as they saw it as a violation of the borders, and complained to the UN. Because of this I think, a second operation designed to capture Mengele, the "Angel of Death", in S. America was cancelled. This monster was never brought to justice and died in the late 70s.
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Old 01-07-2022, 12:40 PM
 
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The questions, I will repeat, is what was the world opinion of hunters, Nazi and others that would hurt Jews, in the 60s? Were there splinter groups from "official" agencies?
I think the "world opinion" wasn't against the Mossad/Nazi hunters in general, it was against the tactics they used that many countries saw as an affront to their sovereignty.
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