Are White North Americans/Britons Anglo Saxons or Normans (Mexico, European, DNA)
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Once again I think the Vikings are being left out of history
Leif Eriksen discovered the Americas and Viking kings ruled and settled in Normandy and England for several hundred years prior to 1066.
All though I cannot provide you with any text I have been told by a number of people over the years of the similarities between Danish and old English.
The Danish week is all derived from names of Nordic GODS some good ans some not as good. You should all know ODIN (Odin's Dag), THOR (Thorsdag), FREYA(Freya's dag)
The Normans were Vikings...The Angles & Saxons came before them. They were not "the Vikings" The Normans also ruled areas of Sicily. Many of the Germanic tribes were of Scandinavian descent and settled in areas all over Europe. Vikings were the last of the Nordic migrations. Viking means pirate.
Once again I think the Vikings are being left out of history
Leif Eriksen discovered the Americas and Viking kings ruled and settled in Normandy and England for several hundred years prior to 1066.
All though I cannot provide you with any text I have been told by a number of people over the years of the similarities between Danish and old English.
The Danish week is all derived from names of Nordic GODS some good ans some not as good. You should all know ODIN (Odin's Dag), THOR (Thorsdag), FREYA(Freya's dag)
Where do you think the "ENGLISH" week came from?
My $0.02
Good point about the Norse involved in the Bloodlines and Language.
I reposted this from Mooseketeer who shows the timeline over the ages of the different peoples and their interactions on what we call english today. It includes the Norse in this.
I wonder if there is an effort in England to restore Old English like there is for Latin. Besides the Catholic Church speaking Latin there are clubs and schools for reviving Latin so i wonder about schools or language clubs out there for Old English?
A good book to read about the evolution of English is called "Mother Tongue" by Bill Bryson. Explains everything in lucid detail, especially the Norman-Saxon period where English took in all the French influences thus having many dual terms such as:
Interestingly the closest link to Saxon English in Europe seems to be linguistically with Friesland in Holland. There was a fascinating programme with the comedian Eddie Izzard . He went to Friesland speaking "Saxon" English and managed to converse quite happily with farmers there.
That reminded me of a rhyme I learned when studying English language which shows the similarity between Frisian and English:
"Bread, butter, and green cheese is good English and good Fries" in English
"Brea, bûter, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk" in Frisian
Has anyone else seen the 'Franglais' mentions in the UK press lately?.....a mangled combination of English and French. Miles Kington (writer & columnist for the Independent) was a great fan and his sad demise has prompted a myriad of bad but funny French sentences and phrases....
"The best I ever heard was from a schoolgirl on a trip to France.... She was being chatted up by a French lad she didn't fancy. Her words were "sur votre bicyclette, mate".
The Anglo-Saxon language appears to be closer to Welsh and Gaelic as it it is to modern English. Modern English really is 'bastard language' with several daddies!
That reminded me of a rhyme I learned when studying English language which shows the similarity between Frisian and English:
"Bread, butter, and green cheese is good English and good Fries" in English
"Brea, bûter, en griene tsiis is goed Ingelsk en goed Frysk" in Frisian
Has anyone else seen the 'Franglais' mentions in the UK press lately?.....a mangled combination of English and French. Miles Kington (writer & columnist for the Independent) was a great fan and his sad demise has prompted a myriad of bad but funny French sentences and phrases....
"The best I ever heard was from a schoolgirl on a trip to France.... She was being chatted up by a French lad she didn't fancy. Her words were "sur votre bicyclette, mate".
In fact this Franglais thing deserves a thread of its own......
Eddie Izzard is wonderful in that programme. Very funny .
Franglais can be hilarious , mind you there is quite a lot of "proper" French in English to begin with.
I use this little handout in an applied linguistics class I teach. Enjoy:
THE LORDS PRAYER – ENGLISH VERSIONS
It is useful to compare various versions of a familiar text to see the differences between Old, Middle, Modern, and Contemporary English. Take for instance this Old English (c. 1000) sample:
Fæder ure þu þe eart on heofonum
si þin nama gehalgod tobecume þin rice gewurþe þin willa on eorðan swa swa on heofonum
urne gedæghwamlican hlaf syle us to dæg
and forgyf us ure gyltas swa swa we forgyfað urum gyltendum
and ne gelæd þu us on costnunge ac alys us of yfele soþlice.
Rendered in Middle English (Wyclif, 1384), the same text is recognizable to the modern eye:
Oure fadir þat art in hevenes halwid be þi name;
þi kyngdom come to be. Be þi wille don in herþe as it is doun in hevene.
yeve to us today oure eche dayes bred.
And foryeve to us oure dettis þat is oure synnys as we foryeven to oure dettouris þat is to men þat han synned in us.
And lede us not into temptacion but delyvere us from evyl.
In Early Modern English (King James Version, 1611) the same text is completely intelligible:
Our father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evill. Amen.
Contemporary texts have attempted to update the language. From The New International version (1981):
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
Finally, here is a parody of what might be called a post-modern interpretation…..
Our Friend, in your Happy Place,
We're really comfortable with who you are.
May you realize your vision and find closure,
in our delicate eco-system, as within your own personal environment.
Please consider helping us to only non-exploitative, organic foods, and don't be judgmental of us, as we're trying not to judge other people (so long as they're not hurtful or insensitive or anything).And please help us to remember that arbitrary constructs of good and bad have no place in our personal choices, so long as they are based on ignorance or prejudice.
For you are totally centered, inclusive and non-threatening, which we think is both authentic and beautiful. And we hope you will keep it up as long as you feel it is appropriate.
Thanks for that Yeledaf....as again you can see how Middle English is easier to read than Old English. So am i a Norman instead of Anglo/Saxon
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