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Old 12-10-2015, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Elysium
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Lee Harvey Oswald. His name has gone down in infamy but has not be forgotten like the 99.9% of us
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Old 12-15-2015, 04:38 PM
 
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The conspiracy industry.
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Old 12-16-2015, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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CIA may not have liked Kennedy but killing him in the name of the agency ? Extremely unlikely. It's not like he was really putting country in danger any more than any other president.

No, this was personal. If Oswald indeed wasn't acting alone, his accomplice wasn't some three letter agency or some vague industry. It was a concrete person or a group of people that either stood to greatly personally benefit from JFK's death, considered him a personal threat, or were seeking vengeance.

To me this brings both the Mafia and Hoover way up in the list. And Mafia seems to be especially likely - the Kennedies were their buddies, they used them and then they back stabbed them and tried to eliminate them. Killing JFK would be serving both as revenge and protection from further investigations. However it's also very likely that Hoover was in on this, or at least knew about it and didn't do anything to stop it or persecute the people that ordered the assassination.

The involvement of Jack Ruby fits in perfectly.

The assassination of Robert Kennedy would also make sense in that context. He was no longer a threat once John was gone, but he could become a threat both to the Mafia and to Hoover if elected President. However Sirhan Sirhan is still alive and always claimed he did it alone.
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Old 12-17-2015, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Cheektowaga, NY
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Everyone, of course - that's why they had to fight over the choicest position from which to assassinate him.
LoL!!! Well played.
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Old 12-17-2015, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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The Democratic Party.

The only way the Democrats could win the 1964 Election was if Kennedy resigned due to health reasons, or he refused to run due to health reasons.

Kennedy would have lost because of the Cuban Missile Crisis, to name but a few reasons and situations he mishandled badly.
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Old 12-17-2015, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The Democratic Party.

The only way the Democrats could win the 1964 Election was if Kennedy resigned due to health reasons, or he refused to run due to health reasons.

Kennedy would have lost because of the Cuban Missile Crisis, to name but a few reasons and situations he mishandled badly.
That's assuming that Rockefeller would be the 1964 Republican nominee, the conventional wisdom in 1963. Which turned out to be inaccurate. Goldwater was a great man but he had no chance in hell.
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Old 12-17-2015, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The only way the Democrats could win the 1964 Election was if Kennedy resigned due to health reasons, or he refused to run due to health reasons.

Kennedy would have lost because of the Cuban Missile Crisis, to name but a few reasons and situations he mishandled badly.
On what do you base that assumption?

Majoun may have the right trak on that.
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Old 12-17-2015, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Type 0.7 Kardashev
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The Democratic Party.

The only way the Democrats could win the 1964 Election was if Kennedy resigned due to health reasons, or he refused to run due to health reasons.

Kennedy would have lost because of the Cuban Missile Crisis, to name but a few reasons and situations he mishandled badly.


First, JFK's reelection chances hinged on what the electorate thought of his performance, not your assessment of his handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Second, though Kennedy's approval rating had come down from the big boost it got during the crisis, the final Gallup poll taken before his assassination put his approval at 58%. Bear in mind that since the era of polling (which began during FDR's Presidency), every President with an approval rating of at least 48% by election time has been reelected (the worst, Mr. 48%, was George W. Bush).
JFK's Approval Ratings During his Presidency » Polls and Graphs

Third, Presidential reelections are strongly correlated with relative economic performance during a President's term - in other words, Presidents are reelected if the economy is doing better than when they took office, and defeated if the economy is doing worse. When President Kennedy was sworn in, the United States was in recession, emerging from that recession in the spring of 1961. Subsequently, the American economy would enter what at the time was the longest economic expansion in its history (until the 1990s), not recessing again until 1969.

While we cannot know for certain if JFK would have been reelected, the available data strongly points to the likelihood that he would have, though he probably would not have replicated the magnitude of LBJ's landslide victory.
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Old 12-18-2015, 12:30 AM
 
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The Democratic Party.

The only way the Democrats could win the 1964 Election was if Kennedy resigned due to health reasons, or he refused to run due to health reasons.

Kennedy would have lost because of the Cuban Missile Crisis, to name but a few reasons and situations he mishandled badly.
Shortly after the Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy's approval rating skyrocketed to 77%. It was widely regarded as the greatest political achievement of his Administration. By the time of his death, his approval rating had slipped back to 59%, but I can't think of any credible reason his handling of the missiles and his humiliation of Krushchev would have harmed his chances for re-election.
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Old 12-19-2015, 06:30 AM
 
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Liberals benefited the most from Kennedy's death in 1963. When Kennedy died, LBJ said as a tribute to him, Congress should pass his legislation that was stalled in a conservative dominated Congress that existed since the late 1930s. That included the Civil Right Act of 1964. The 1964 election was a great triumph for liberals. The mourning of Kennedy and the fact Goldwater was such a poor candidate gave liberals more Congressional seats and a majority. The Great Society programs were passed in 1965 and 1966 as a result.
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