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Old 12-16-2015, 11:17 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I know the Soviet Union helped fund the IRA terrorists in the UK in order to destabilize Britain during the Cold War, and that they also supported some Islamic terrorist groups in Libya who were anti-Western.

Along the same lines, I wonder how much material support the Soviets and possibly the North Vietnamese gave to domestic left wing terror groups in the US like the Weather Underground, Students for a Democratic Society, and the SLA. This would certainly make sense as the WU and assorted groups and community organizers like Saul Alinsky were pro-Soviet groups that supported communism and socialism.

I heard that the Vietcong and North Vietnamese were in communications with antiwar groups in the U.S., and that antiwar protestors would provide the North Vietnamese with the information regarding families of American soldiers serving in the war and that the Vietnamese would harrass and haunt these family members. Also heard that the North Vietnamese would harass the families of dead soldiers and that they received this information from antiwar activists in the United States.

Also, to what extent did Vietnam protesters target the funerals of American servicemen killed in combat? I heard that the Westboro Baptist Church got their idea from antiwar activists who picketed funeral homes when services for American soldiers were being held. How much truth is there to this?
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Old 12-17-2015, 08:27 AM
 
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I know the Soviet Union helped fund the IRA terrorists in the UK in order to destabilize Britain during the Cold War, and that they also supported some Islamic terrorist groups in Libya who were anti-Western.

Along the same lines, I wonder how much material support the Soviets and possibly the North Vietnamese gave to domestic left wing terror groups in the US like the Weather Underground, Students for a Democratic Society, and the SLA. This would certainly make sense as the WU and assorted groups and community organizers like Saul Alinsky were pro-Soviet groups that supported communism and socialism.

I heard that the Vietcong and North Vietnamese were in communications with antiwar groups in the U.S., and that antiwar protestors would provide the North Vietnamese with the information regarding families of American soldiers serving in the war and that the Vietnamese would harrass and haunt these family members. Also heard that the North Vietnamese would harass the families of dead soldiers and that they received this information from antiwar activists in the United States.

Also, to what extent did Vietnam protesters target the funerals of American servicemen killed in combat? I heard that the Westboro Baptist Church got their idea from antiwar activists who picketed funeral homes when services for American soldiers were being held. How much truth is there to this?
It's well documented in wiki...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet...peace_movement

Yes, no, maybe...is the only conclusion.
One paragraph:
"Russian GRU defector Stanislav Lunev said in his autobiography that "the GRU and the KGB helped to fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad," and that during the Vietnam War the USSR gave $1 billion to American anti-war movements, more than it gave to the VietCong, although he does not identify any organisation by name. Lunev described this as a "hugely successful campaign and well worth the cost". According to Time magazine, a US State Department official estimated that the KGB may have spent $600 million on the peace offensive up to 1983, channeling funds through national Communist parties or the World Peace Council "to a host of new antiwar organizations that would, in many cases, reject the financial help if they knew the source."

Another paragraph:
"Western intelligence agencies have been more skeptical of the extent of Soviet influence on non-aligned peace organisations. In 1967, a CIA report on the US peace movement observed that "the Communist Party of the USA benefits from anti-US activity by Peace groups but does not appear to be inspiring them or directing them."

I tend to take the middle ground - the KGB had many diverse front organizations during the cold war, and were very active. No way they would have ignored opportunities to exploit "useful idiots". Perhaps not to the extent indicated in the first paragraph.
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Old 12-17-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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I know the Soviet Union helped fund the IRA terrorists in the UK in order to destabilize Britain during the Cold War, and that they also supported some Islamic terrorist groups in Libya who were anti-Western.

Along the same lines, I wonder how much material support the Soviets and possibly the North Vietnamese gave to domestic left wing terror groups in the US like the Weather Underground, Students for a Democratic Society, and the SLA. This would certainly make sense as the WU and assorted groups and community organizers like Saul Alinsky were pro-Soviet groups that supported communism and socialism.

I heard that the Vietcong and North Vietnamese were in communications with antiwar groups in the U.S., and that antiwar protestors would provide the North Vietnamese with the information regarding families of American soldiers serving in the war and that the Vietnamese would harrass and haunt these family members. Also heard that the North Vietnamese would harass the families of dead soldiers and that they received this information from antiwar activists in the United States.

Also, to what extent did Vietnam protesters target the funerals of American servicemen killed in combat? I heard that the Westboro Baptist Church got their idea from antiwar activists who picketed funeral homes when services for American soldiers were being held. How much truth is there to this?
There was no Soviet support for the groups you mentioned, including SDS who were by far the largest. The USSR did have groups it worked with in the US, but said groups you mentioned were outside of its networks. The KGB preferred to go through the CPUSA and WPC who it had longstanding relationships with, rather than upstarts who were not going to be its patsies and who didn't have the resources and organization to do real damage. The Weathermen, from a Soviet point of view, were just juvenile delinquents and "hooligans" and incapabable of doing real damage to the US other than a little mindless violence. The SLA were fringe of fringe.

Now, in a later period, the Libyan government of Qadafi helped fund the Nation of Islam, the White Aryan Resistance, the Aryan Nations, and American Nazi Party.

BTW I would not characterize Alinsky as pro-Soviet or communist. Socialist, yes, but not communist.
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:06 PM
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There was no Soviet involvement with the "new Left" of the late Sixties of which I am aware, and I suspect that any prospect of this was quickly doused by Soviet intelligence, who would have had enough street wisdom to recognize that the innate sense of resistance to blind authority which is central to the American character would have made any soft American dupes prone to both rebellion and independent "thought", and potentially embarrassing.

Europe was quite another story, since the Soviets had maintained close ties with the French and, to a lesser extent, the Italian Communist parties since those nations had nearly voted themselves Communist not long after the end of World War II. The American economic boom which got under way not long after the election of Ronald Reagan was sufficient to fuel new defense technologies plus domestic growth the Soviets could not hope to match, and the final hype by American "peaceniks" via Hollywood in films like The Day After fell flat, even as conservative publications quietly called attention to Soviet agitation in Europe.

But one of the most effective American warriors in the final upstaging of the Soviets' plans was none other than a gangly-looking guy in a clown suit named McDonald.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:40 PM
 
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Along the same lines, I wonder how much material support the Soviets and possibly the North Vietnamese gave to domestic left wing terror groups in the US like
the Weather Underground, Students for a Democratic Society, and the SLA?
I dont think they needed to give material support (propaganda support is another story). With the exception of the Black Panthers, US leftists were all middle and upper middle class. As such, they had more than enough money and ready access to legal weapon here to fund their terror campaigns. None of the bombs placed by US leftists used military grade explosives. Likewise, all weapons used were obtained from legal US sources.

Also, the Soviets were probably very wary about giving US leftists weapons because they knew that if their lethal devices appeared here, our lethal devices were going to appear in western Ukraine, the Caucuses and the 'stans. Who knows, we might of even had a gentlemans agreement with them not to supply actual weapons to each other's domestic opponents.

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I heard that the Vietcong and North Vietnamese were in communications with antiwar groups in the U.S., and that antiwar protestors would provide the North Vietnamese with the information regarding families of American soldiers serving in the war and that the Vietnamese would harrass and haunt these family members. Also heard that the North Vietnamese would harass the families of dead soldiers and that they received this information from antiwar activists in the United States.
To my knowledge, the North Vietnamese never stalked US families. Rather, they used their contact with American leftists to generate common propaganda themes. They also wove information obtained from US leftists into their propaganda broadcasts. For example: POW "X" is very concerned about his sick child and wants to return home to Kansas. Unfortunately, we cant release him because the US president is still bombing our children.... .

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Old 12-22-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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The Weathermen, from a Soviet point of view, were just juvenile delinquents and "hooligans" and incapabable of doing real damage to the US other than a little mindless violence. The SLA were fringe of fringe.
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There was no Soviet involvement with the "new Left" of the late Sixties of which I am aware, and I suspect that any prospect of this was quickly doused by Soviet intelligence, who would have had enough street wisdom to recognize that the innate sense of resistance to blind authority which is central to the American character would have made any soft American dupes prone to both rebellion and independent "thought", and potentially embarrassing.
Agree and agree. Without getting too specific, having had a personal proximity to the SDS, WU and other groups of that era, the only "support," and likely merely inspirationally more than materially, given to the New Left by the Soviets was that for the now almost-forgotten Youth Against War and Fascism (YAWF) party, an affiliate of the The Workers World Party (WWP) an extant communist party of the US. YAWF defended the Black Panthers, the Weather Underground, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and the Puerto Rican Independence movement.
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Old 12-23-2015, 04:15 PM
 
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I heard that the Vietcong and North Vietnamese were in communications with antiwar groups in the U.S., and that antiwar protestors would provide the North Vietnamese with the information regarding families of American soldiers serving in the war and that the Vietnamese would harrass and haunt these family members. Also heard that the North Vietnamese would harass the families of dead soldiers and that they received this information from antiwar activists in the United States.
Source?

I've never heard that. Didn't see it. Don't know any families of servicemen who were stalked. Never saw anyone at the funerals but family and friends.
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