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Old 01-02-2016, 10:00 AM
Location: Southeast Michigan
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Originally Posted by LINative View Post
I don't think the Germans would have surrendered in 1918 if the American entered the war on their side. Their offensive in Spring 1918 might have been better considered and they would not have the morale problems that they were fighting a new American army and the propaganda of Wilson's 14 points. In fact it would be the British that would be having the morale problems of fighting another Democracy and the 14 points could be turned into an anti-colonial crusade against the British Empire!

Besides the war lasting at least until 1919, I do not see how the British could have transferred and then keep supplied an army of four million men over to North America. The US navy is cut from the same cloth as the Royal Navy and would not stand idly by while it happened. There would be constant raids against British convoys and merchant ships. In fact, the British would have enough trouble feeding and supplying Britain itself let alone a army in North America. And the Americans would be creating a huge army of their own in North America.
The US Navy was not a very competent fighting force in 1918. It was just recently expanded and lacked the much needed experience. The US Navy of 1941, by contrast, had far more ships and more importantly over two decades of training dedicated to fighting a modern naval war. Training that in part resulted from the lessons learned in WW1. And even then, the Japanese were at first better prepared.

If the US declared war on GB - which was in reality all but impossible given the public sentiment of that time - I see a bloody fight in Canada, where the US is able to make some advance at a very heavy cost. The Canadian units showed excellent performance in WW1, they were trained to the best standards of the British Army. The position of GB gets weaker, with Canada partially occupied and no longer the resource mill. Quebec probably breaks free and becomes a separate state under US protectorate. The question is whether the Brits concentrate on war in Europe or turn back and try to recoup Canada.

I can see the USN and Imperial German Navy attempting to break the blockade - they don't have to destroy the RN, merely to push it back. I still think RN was a better fighting force than the two navies combined, but given the inexhaustible potential of Americans to produce new ships, combined with German training (German navy, I think, was a better trained force than the RN, on tactical level), they may succeed. This would give Germany a huge boost. The Brits would not risk an all out naval engagement since now the Axis powers have actual real chance to land on British soil using the vast potential of US manufacturing, so they need to preserve the Grand Fleet to protect the homeland. For the same reason I don't see a major attempt to reconquer Canada, this would expose their back to the Germans.

In short, the US intervening on German behalf would mean at least a partial victory for Germany and it's allies on the Continent, perhaps with France giving up some territories but remaining independent. The Russian Empire falls apart just as it did in real life. The UK is busy protecting it's homeland and colonies, and likely facing an uprising in Ireland supported by American money and weapons. The US conquers Canada with Quebec becoming a de jure independent nation, de facto an American puppet state. All of this possible even without any US military presence on the European continent, just by lifting the blockade and shipping supplies to the Central Powers, occupying Canada, and building a large threatening Navy.

Of course, as I said earlier, this would be unthinkable in the 1900s. The public opinion would never accept joining the autocratic militant Kaiserreich in a war against brotherly, (somewhat) democratic Britain and France.

Now if the UK tried to interfere on the side of Confederacy 50 years earlier - the idea was being at least half seriously considered at that time - and the Nort still won, the desire to help the British would not be there.
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Old 01-02-2016, 10:36 AM
Location: Finland
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While the US Army was a competent fighting force, the Army Aviation was a joke. The US was extremely late in realising the potential of an aviation branch. The US Army had one aviation section in the Signal Corps, and relied completely on French aircraft.

Britain, France and Germany realised this potential much earlier, the French in 1909, the Imperial Fliegertruppen of Germany was founded in 1910. RAF is the oldest independent air force, founded in April 1918.
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Old 01-04-2016, 11:47 PM
Location: Wasilla, AK
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Originally Posted by Ariete View Post

Two sick men (Austria and the Ottoman Empire) and an exhausted Germany.

You have it right. Germany would not have been able to hold out much longer.
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