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Old 01-03-2016, 08:23 AM
 
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It could have and would have been worse had they not fought. The entire continent would have been over run by Bolshevism.
Please crawl back to your Stormfront, to your cozy swamp.
"Bolshevism" that those soldiers were supposedly "fighting" was just a pretense for heinous crimes against humanity.
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Old 01-03-2016, 09:49 PM
 
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Had Hitler played that hand differently, they quite conceivably could have won that war.
If Hitler and his stooges had played their hand differently they wouldn't have been bloody Nazis to begin with but they were! They played the only hand bloody that they themselves chose to have!
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Old 01-04-2016, 06:09 AM
 
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If Hitler and his stooges had played their hand differently they wouldn't have been bloody Nazis to begin with but they were! They played the only hand bloody that they themselves chose to have!
Precisely.

By 1941, Hitler had spent nearly twenty years preaching the necessity of lebensraum, the seizing of land from Russia to be settled by Germans. Over and over, he had railed against the Slavs as sub-human, and of the right of the superior German race to rule over them and to use them to its own ends.

That was the entire point of the war - not to invade just for the purpose of defeating communism.

All too often, World War II is treated as if it's some abstract boardgame where the only goal is to 'win'. But it wasn't. It was a conflict fought by powers deeply imbued with their own natures and ideologies. The "If only the Nazis had befriended the Ukrainian peasantry!" laments rather miss the entire point of what was happening in German during the decade prior to Barbarossa.
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Old 01-04-2016, 08:50 AM
 
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still unrepentant and brainwashed...these people were far more dangerous than the russkies
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Old 01-04-2016, 12:50 PM
 
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still unrepentant and brainwashed...these people were far more dangerous than the russkies
Luckily these people are dying off and the German government and people have done everything to help them and their ideology along their way to oblivion.
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Old 01-04-2016, 02:29 PM
 
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There was a thread about this topic a few months back I think. Now, some German soldiers truly did not understand the issues they were fighting for. But it's amazing in that, now, it seems ALL of the elderly soldiers and German's still alive from that era - they all had no idea, they were all against Hitler, they all either played an innocent role in the war role and/or were fighting communism. And you talk to 1st and 2nd generations of Germans, all of which are collectively staunch anti-Nazi and condemn the actions of the 3rd Reich...well on a personal level ALL of there grandfathers and families just all happened to be anti-Nazi and anti-Hitler. What a coincidence. All the country was guilty EXCEPT there own family.
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Old 01-04-2016, 05:26 PM
 
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ALL of there grandfathers and families just all happened to be anti-Nazi and anti-Hitler. What a coincidence. All the country was guilty EXCEPT there own family.
Then if you have the opportunity to watch "Hitler's Children" you will see the direct opposite. The subject of the documentary are the nieces, nephews, grand children of major Nazi war criminals and the guilt felt by these descendants is absolutely palpable so much so you'd think that they were directly responsible.
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Old 01-08-2016, 06:03 AM
 
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In 1939 all Europe viewed Germany, National Socialism, and the USSR, communism, as mortal enemies. Germany and the USSR saw themselves this way too.

Philosophically they were mortal enemies: the existence of one in itself was a threat to the other. And Germany had the memory Communist/Nazi/Reactionary civil struggle in the early 20's. The USSR had the memory of invasion by Western nations after WWI to overthrow Communism.

Germans felt they were and were fighting Bolshevism in WWII. And the Russians felt they were fighting and were fighting national socialism. The perspectives of both are absolutely accurate. Those were not the only motives and maybe not the primary ones. But they weren't far behind.
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Old 01-16-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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I don't really blame the soldiers. It must be terrible to go through something so searing, so devastating, intensely bonding with so many men that you had to watch die, and then have to face the reality that your mission was
I would have looked you say at the expense of German soldiers, if you lost 29 millions of its people. They sang and rejoiced until it got in the face of the Russian people.
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Old 01-16-2016, 08:08 AM
 
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Before the war, German officers, pilots, tankers, engineers were trained in the Soviet Union. And even the Gestapo. German soldiers were well trained, and some were less violent than their allies.
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