photos of segregation (WW2, why, how, facts)

[kevxu]

Originally Posted by Ulsterman

Of course your right Hellion. Thomas Pellow from Cornwall spent around 20 years in slavery before making his escape. The conditions they were kept in was horrible and many died. Some of those slaves were Americans.

Ah, but a beautiful Irish woman who was captured as a slave became the chief wife of Muli Mohammed, and the Empress of Morocco, and one of their sons his heir. So, that takes the edge of it then.

[karen_in_nh_2012]

OP here. I'm pretty sad that this thread has had so many posts that seem to argue that "it wasn't all that bad."

Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) basically argued that if "Negroes" believed that having to use separate facilities was "racist," well, it was just all in their own heads. Yes, seriously, that was the argument. Brown v. Board of Education (1954) said, no, "separate but equal" was inherently UNEQUAL -- which of course it was.

So many of you seemed to miss the point of those photos ... which is truly, truly sad.

My students -- even in 2016 New Hampshire, which is an overwhelmingly white state -- have more compassion and understanding than some (not all) of you.

[Phil75230]

Originally Posted by karen_in_nh_2012

OP here. I'm pretty sad that this thread has had so many posts that seem to argue that "it wasn't all that bad."

Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) basically argued that if "Negroes" believed that having to use separate facilities was "racist," well, it was just all in their own heads. Yes, seriously, that was the argument. Brown v. Board of Education (1954) said, no, "separate but equal" was inherently UNEQUAL -- which of course it was.

So many of you seemed to miss the point of those photos ... which is truly, truly sad.

My students -- even in 2016 New Hampshire, which is an overwhelming white state -- have more compassion and understanding than some (not all) of you.

<irony> It wasn't all that bad if you "knew your place" and stayed in it. It was only those "uppity type of Negroes" that had a hard time of it. </irony>

And yes, such attitudes do continue even today, even among many who reject segregation in principle.

There's always going to be that hard core 10% or so who are so sure of their views that they won't open their minds to even the prospect they are wrong. Not an excuse for inaction by the rest of us. Just saying that we need to disregard that 10% and push ahead.

[markg91359]

Originally Posted by Potential_Landlord

Thanks for the education. So how did the Southern states justify upholding their racist laws and way of life after the 1954 Supreme Court ruling Brown v. Board of Education? Why did they try to uphold their unconstitutionality and blatantly ignore both the law of the land and racial equality? Why are they trying to subvert the S.C. ruling on marriage equality today? What is up with these guys?

They struggled to make a coherent argument. However, essentially what Orville Faubus, George Wallace and a few others tried to argue is that the state's rights prevailed over federal law. Faubus contended that Arkansas could nullify federal laws that it did not agree with. The Supreme Court rejected that legal theory 200 + years ago.

The argument didn't withstand any analysis at all. Some newspaper editors and others in southern states realized this and tried to tell the politicians in their state that fighting Brown v. the Board of Education was nothing less than leading their states down a blind alley. However, its amazing what people will do when they just don't agree with something. They will confabulate all kinds of irrational justifications for their behavior. Truly, most southerners wanted segregated schools because they were concerned that the black boys would make their white daughters pregnant and lead to racially mixed children. Its pretty absurd, but there were tremendous fears like that.

[skywatcher75]

Originally Posted by markg91359

They struggled to make a coherent argument. However, essentially what Orville Faubus, George Wallace and a few others tried to argue is that the state's rights prevailed over federal law. Faubus contended that Arkansas could nullify federal laws that it did not agree with. The Supreme Court rejected that legal theory 200 + years ago.

The argument didn't withstand any analysis at all. Some newspaper editors and others in southern states realized this and tried to tell the politicians in their state that fighting Brown v. the Board of Education was nothing less than leading their states down a blind alley. However, its amazing what people will do when they just don't agree with something. They will confabulate all kinds of irrational justifications for their behavior. Truly, most southerners wanted segregated schools because they were concerned that the black boys would make their white daughters pregnant and lead to racially mixed children. Its pretty absurd, but there were tremendous fears like that.

Ironic how so many southern plantation owners raped the female slaves and produced racially mixed children!

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Ulsterman

I was wondering when the label 'racist' would be used. I'm not disappointed. My attitude is those who point the finger and use the racist,bigot slur should remember that there are three fingers pointing back at themselves.

Of course, you don't have to answer this question. But where do you live? If you answer, I'll give a reply that might highlight why you are soooooooooooooooo very wrong in your thinking.

[Listener2307]

Originally Posted by markg91359

They struggled to make a coherent argument. However, essentially what Orville Faubus, George Wallace and a few others tried to argue is that the state's rights prevailed over federal law. Faubus contended that Arkansas could nullify federal laws that it did not agree with. The Supreme Court rejected that legal theory 200 + years ago.

The argument didn't withstand any analysis at all. Some newspaper editors and others in southern states realized this and tried to tell the politicians in their state that fighting Brown v. the Board of Education was nothing less than leading their states down a blind alley. However, its amazing what people will do when they just don't agree with something. They will confabulate all kinds of irrational justifications for their behavior. Truly, most southerners wanted segregated schools because they were concerned that the black boys would make their white daughters pregnant and lead to racially mixed children. Its pretty absurd, but there were tremendous fears like that.

I graduated from high school in 1963 in Jackson, MS. There was never any talk of anyone getting pregnant by Black boys - it was unthinkable. We were generally afraid of Black people, though.

Those of us who grew up in a segregated world never considered that it could be any other way. I never actually talked to a Black person until 1963 when I joined the service.

[skywatcher75]

^ So weird to me, But then again I wasn't born until 1975 Went to racially mixed schools, Didn't know any other way.

[Ulsterman]

Wonder what the reaction would be to the klan or some other white supremacy group.

[skywatcher75]

This isn't a hate group towards a group of people. The KKK and The Black Panthers are so far apart from their beliefs to be compared to one another. And also, the Black Panthers disbanded in 1982.