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Old 02-12-2016, 09:39 AM
Location: Finland
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Originally Posted by boxus View Post
Incorrect, it was never the objective of the Soviets to take Finland. This is just BS to make the Finns feel better about the war, and so they can state "victory" when it fact it was a disastrous defeat. Finland lost more area than was demanded by the Soviets.

The Soviets accomplished the main objective of the war, that is a victory.
This is only Soviet propaganda. The Soviets orchestrated the shelling of Mainila to gain a false casus belli to even start the war. The next day Stalin accepted the Terijoki puppet government as the legal "Democratic Soviet Finnish Government" which was supposed to take power after the eventual victory. The generals promised Helsinki on Stalin's birthday. And if the Soviets wanted just to achieve the security of Leningrad, why did they attack throughout the 1000 mile front? What was the objective of the 44th Ukrainian and 163rd Russian divisions trying to get to Oulu if not to split Finland into half?

And what about the revolutionary support during the 20's and 30's? The Soviets had widespread espionage in Finland as to fuel an "uprising of the workers and establing a proletarian dictatorship". Even Lenin said that the Whites winning the Finnish independence was just temporary, Finland will fall into the fold eventually.

The theory that the Soviets settled for "we got what we came for", was just brainwashing of the populace, due to the failure to crush our small country. The Soviets wanted it all, but was unable to get it.
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:06 AM
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The Finish preserving their independence was essential in regaining the independence for the Baltic states in the 1990s. It's a pity they had to wait so much longer, but we're there now, even though Putin is trying hard to undermine them.
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Old 02-13-2016, 09:11 AM
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Every day every day. i wouldn't be surprised if the Baltic people suffer from insomnia. Just hanging out there like apples and peaches for locusts.
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Old 02-13-2016, 11:07 AM
Location: Finland
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Finland was never occupaid in WW2.

Winter War

"The Finnish Army first came to world attention in 1939 in the famous Winter War or Talvisota, when it faced an invasion by a Soviet Army of nearly one million men. The invasion had followed failed peace talks in 1939 when Stalin had demanded Finland cede key territory, bases and mines. Facing a massive Soviet army, the Finnish defender’s fought a heroic David vs. Goliath struggle for four months."

"During one of the harshest winter’s seen in the Arctic Circle for a hundred years, the brave and stoic defenders used the –30oC to –40oC temperatures to advantage as they first stopped and then destroyed attacking Soviet columns. "
"They skilfully used the lakes and heavily forested terrain of their homeland to channel their attackers vastly superior numbers. The Finns earned a reputation as fearless and skilled fighters. But promised Allied aid did not arrive in time to prevent defeat."
"A second Soviet offensive finally forced Finland to sue for peace. Still, as one Soviet general is reported to have said ‘we won nearly enough land to bury our dead’.

Here is history lesson and warphotos from Finland;

"A Brief History of Finland in WWII"

"The images record the war years from 1939 to 1945, spanning three conflicts the Finns recognize as the Winter War (against an invading Soviet Union), the Continuation War (striking against the Soviets alongside the Germans) and the Lapland War (against the Germans for control of Lapland)."
Finland in World War II - The Atlantic
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Old 02-19-2016, 12:19 PM
Location: Finland
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Here are daily rations Finnish soldiers got during the Winter War:

  • 500g bread, crackers and cookies
  • 60g butter
  • 60g worth of canned sausages, pork or beef
  • 50g sugar
  • 20 coffee (tea 2g)
  • 600g potatoes
  • 200g worth of beef, pork or fish
  • 15g salt
  • 25g wheat flour for gravy
  • 5 cigarettes (!)

It's probably unnecessary to mention that the Russian soldiers got a lot less, or most likely a fraction. 60g butter and 50g sugar seems excessive, but in a wartime situation, you just have to get the energy from anything.
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Old 02-21-2016, 11:46 AM
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Re: those rations

Probably one of the greatest reasons why the army marched on to victories for so long. The soldiers not only marched in their skis but also on their stomachs. I did read it was a great morale booster to have hot meals every day especially by the front.
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