U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Covid-19 Information Page
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > History
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Here.
14,604 posts, read 13,557,032 times
Reputation: 17134

Advertisements

In terms of economic matters, yes, bankers are powerful and can pretty much get the President to do whatever they want. All the Treasury Secretaries come from Wall Street. Presidents are pretty ignorant on economic matters.

On other matters, like military or social, I don't think they have much or any influence.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-19-2016, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Dothan AL
1,450 posts, read 954,279 times
Reputation: 999
Those who own major shares in corporations like these, some are banks

.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-20-2016, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
15,573 posts, read 13,767,060 times
Reputation: 22937
Id think they would be something like the Goldsmiths own the World..Zac is rumoured to be half brother to Prinhttp://www.standard.co.uk/news/the-goldsmith-supremacy-londons-most-compelling-dynasty-6401116.htmlcess Diana..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-20-2016, 01:48 AM
 
Location: 🇬🇧 In jolly old London! 🇬🇧
15,672 posts, read 9,150,457 times
Reputation: 12439
Quote:
Originally Posted by gottaq View Post
Are bankers of the world more powerful than Presidents and any other leaders? Men such as J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller and the Rothschild family were said to be the most powerful men of their time; they had presidents and politicians in their pockets. Today, do you think bankers/ceo's on wall street are more powerful than any president or prime minister? Doesn't everything revolve around money? So who would you say are currently the most powerful people on earth?
Well it worked well for the Knights Templar ( first ever bankers ).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-20-2016, 10:51 AM
 
7,326 posts, read 4,311,635 times
Reputation: 9083
Quote:
Originally Posted by Londoncowboy30 View Post
Well it worked well for the Knights Templar ( first ever bankers ).
Yes until 1305, the new Pope Clement V, and King Philip IV of France presaged Stalin by considering how many division did the Knights Templar have. They determined that they didn't have enough and Phillip found himself debt free.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-20-2016, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Southern Colorado
3,682 posts, read 2,068,054 times
Reputation: 4759
The power of the Templars rose to the point that they were competing with traditional Jewish international bankers. International finance has been dominated by Jewish bankers for well over a millennia.

A non-Jewish Chairman of the Federal Reserve? The idea would be scoffed at.

Libya wanted to go on the Gold Standard. Then they were bombed into relative oblivion. Moderator cut: Political remarks removed.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Londoncowboy30 View Post
Well it worked well for the Knights Templar ( first ever bankers ).

Last edited by mensaguy; 02-21-2016 at 05:15 AM.. Reason: This isn't the Politics forum
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-20-2016, 08:12 PM
 
12,816 posts, read 17,911,059 times
Reputation: 14696
Quote:
Originally Posted by gottaq View Post
Are bankers of the world more powerful than Presidents and any other leaders? Men such as J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller and the Rothschild family were said to be the most powerful men of their time; they had presidents and politicians in their pockets. Today, do you think bankers/ceo's on wall street are more powerful than any president or prime minister? Doesn't everything revolve around money? So who would you say are currently the most powerful people on earth?
Internationa or, better said, supra national business conglomerates are the most powerful entities.
Also, you should be referring not to a particular person, but to clans that have been around for centuries, like Windsors or Baruchs. Baruchs go back to the 4th century, what makes Rothchilds look like nouveauriche. There are some Italian clans too. Rothchilds by the way are not the richest or most powerful, they are managers to those. They are very rich, but nothing more. Entire count is roughly 325 families that own most of those conglomerates in manner very much so unadvertised and fortunes going into trillions.
Do they actually have power? Of course. Ever since Nixon times, USA became elite owned and operated proxy for their goals. None becomes a president that will not serve their goals and those who don't are punished severely (Kennedy clan, eg).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2016, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
13,145 posts, read 20,018,291 times
Reputation: 14034
Quote:
Originally Posted by gottaq View Post
Are bankers of the world more powerful than Presidents and any other leaders? Men such as J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller and the Rothschild family were said to be the most powerful men of their time; they had presidents and politicians in their pockets. Today, do you think bankers/ceo's on wall street are more powerful than any president or prime minister? Doesn't everything revolve around money? So who would you say are currently the most powerful people on earth?
Here's a good visualization of America's current power structure in it's most basic form:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3w6c7RUbUs

Theoden stands in for the leaders of the country, Grima and Sarauman play the banksters, the guards and armies are the police and military and the peasants are us!

In other words... the banksters are only powerful as long as their influence over corrupted leadership remains intact. Once the illusion is broken, the banksters are ultimately pathetic and can be crushed like a bug.

The true power is in the police/military (the guys who have the physical means to acquire/maintain control over the peasants) and the police/military are invariably indoctrinated to remain loyal to and serve the will of the governmental leadership... so in effect, it's just one giant circle-jerk.

.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-23-2016, 03:47 PM
 
7,326 posts, read 4,311,635 times
Reputation: 9083
Quote:
Originally Posted by ukrkoz View Post
Ever since Nixon times, USA became elite owned and operated proxy for their goals. None becomes a president that will not serve their goals and those who don't are punished severely (Kennedy clan, eg).
Where do people come up with this stuff?

I suppose the Carnegies, the Mellons, the Fricks, Stanfords and Morgans were just impartial local tradesmen who felt that businessmen had no place in government policies.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-27-2016, 05:41 PM
 
Location: NYC
16,788 posts, read 10,809,871 times
Reputation: 20022
In the 90s-early 00', Greenspan was consider the most powerful man in America. Banks were at his mercy.

Today Feds are just a puppet to the Banks. They hold this economy hostage.

Because of banks:

- people who save money won't get rich, banks don't care about your deposits.
- People who take more risk gained more
- subprime borrowers gets help
- Companies can buy other smaller companies because loans are cheap


Example: Apple Inc is swimming in cash yet they keep borrowing more money to buy their own stocks. Hey why not? If they're getting loans that are so cheap why use their own mint.

Yet anybody here go to a Bank and ask for a $200,000 loan for a house requires good credit and 20% down.

Moderator cut: This isn't the Politics forum.

Last edited by mensaguy; 03-03-2016 at 04:17 PM.. Reason: Removing political remark
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > History
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2020, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top