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Old 02-18-2016, 02:02 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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There is a lot of speculation on how far the Norse ventured into North America. We can only prove they were in Newfoundland. However some claim they went down the coast to New Jersey, and even wilder theories exist that they went up the Saint Laurence and through the Great Lakes. People claim to have artifacts that prove they made it to places far inland like Minnesota or Michigan, but it also just so happens that large Norwegian populations settled those two upper Midwest states. The modern people of that region want this to be true. Reason says that a small band of Vikings would have had a hard time traveling 1000 miles into the North American interior. The tens of thousands of Indians who lived between Vineland colony and the Western Great Lakes would not likely have just let them pass. There is no way the Vikings could have battled their way that far in either. I would be more inclined to believe Vikings explored parts of the New England coast, but in the end they only settled in Newfoundland. Their small numbers made it impossible for them to even stay in that location, so their impact on North America was small. Still what an adventure it must have been to be a Viking in America in the 1000s.
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Old 02-18-2016, 04:55 AM
 
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These are approximate routes of Norse exploration according to the Greenland saga and Erik The Red's saga:

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Old 02-18-2016, 06:42 AM
 
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The Vikings were a helluva ocean sailors for sure. Just amazing.
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Old 02-18-2016, 07:37 AM
 
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There is also evidence of ancient Romans in the New World.
Research into a Phoenician 1st Millenium B.C. contact is growing.
Much is missing from the historical narrative we take for granted as true.
I suspect transoceanic travel predates all recorded history.
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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There is also evidence of ancient Romans in the New World.
Research into a Phoenician 1st Millenium B.C. contact is growing.
Much is missing from the historical narrative we take for granted as true.
I suspect transoceanic travel predates all recorded history.
Please don't tell us the evidence is that roman sword found in Canada.
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Old 02-18-2016, 09:53 AM
 
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There is also evidence of ancient Romans in the New World.
Research into a Phoenician 1st Millenium B.C. contact is growing.
Much is missing from the historical narrative we take for granted as true.
I suspect transoceanic travel predates all recorded history.
I suspect you obtained your B.A. in history from History Channel University.
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Old 02-18-2016, 03:02 PM
 
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I have an equally absurd theory....Mengele had a secret lab there until he was discovered by Dustin Hoffman.
Complete BS. Mengele was killed by Bobby's dogs.
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Old 02-19-2016, 12:41 AM
 
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I suspect you obtained your B.A. in history from History Channel University.


I have seen some outrageous and speculative history on these so called "history" programs. History is what is recorded and provable. Speculating that ancient Phonecians and Romans reached America is just that, speculation. Chinese in California?? speculation until you show me records that prove the voyage happened and irrefutable evidence in the New World. Oh and it cant be the kind of evidence like the runestone in Minnesota or the Viking ships carved in rocks in Michigan. That evidence is tainted by 150 years of Norse people settling in that area, so it does not prove a Viking presence in that area. Runestones can be planted can they not? Show me a Viking ship in Lake Superior then we have something to talk about. Show me Chinese artifacts on the Pacific coast of the US, then we can say the Chinese did make it to North America. Until then these kinds of stories are the thing of low grade "history" programming. Its hard to believe what gets put on documentaries and news programs these days. It used to be that you had to provide facts to prove what you said on TV, but not anymore as you can tell people aliens built the pyramids and millions will actually believe that. We have become a nation of gullable fools. I wonder what percentage of our population thinks aliens were heavily involved in our ancient past? We have abandoned reason and logic for crazy.
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Old 02-19-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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Its hard to believe what gets put on documentaries and news programs these days. It used to be that you had to provide facts to prove what you said on TV, but not anymore as you can tell people aliens built the pyramids and millions will actually believe that. We have become a nation of gullable fools. I wonder what percentage of our population thinks aliens were heavily involved in our ancient past? We have abandoned reason and logic for crazy.
Once upon a time there were organizations and societies that provided a forum for historical or scientific discourse. There were "Chautauqua" meetings where speakers would offer ideas or discuss historical or scientific events. There were academies where professionals could exchange ideas and share them with the public. Some of the craziest ideas probably never made it out of the meeting room. People seemed willing to listen and express opinions or ask questions if they were motivated to at least attend the meetings. These shared ideas and discussions were not anonymous -- like on this or other internet forums.


We have replaced this two-way exchange of ideas with TV "documentaries". We can sit in our underwear with a bag of potato chips and sop up our history from the History Channel.
Well played America.
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Old 02-22-2016, 04:28 AM
 
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