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Old 03-04-2016, 02:38 PM
 
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I can't answer that, as I really don't know. The casualty I mentioned was child around 12 years old or so. We were told he came in contact with a WP grenade that he came in contact with by accident (somehow). I have no way to know if that's what happened or not. Most of the time we had no information on how the injuries occurred, and there wasn't time to dwell on it.
That is so awful. My father was enlisted infantrymen, then an infantry platoon leader in Vietnam. From what he described to me, he thankfully did not see alot of civilian casualties as his unit performed mostly jungle patrols.
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Old 03-04-2016, 05:00 PM
 
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Well after five pages of good and not so good posts, I still remain at a loss when it comes to reconciling Germany's atrocities with its abstinence for using chemical weapons, particularly during the later years and on the Eastern Front in particular. But perhaps there isn't a satisfactory answer.

But thanks to all that tried to answer the question.
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Old 03-04-2016, 05:17 PM
 
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Well after five pages of good and not so good posts, I still remain at a loss when it comes to reconciling Germany's atrocities with its abstinence for using chemical weapons, particularly during the later years and on the Eastern Front in particular. But perhaps there isn't a satisfactory answer.

But thanks to all that tried to answer the question.
Mutual assured destruction, just like America has not nuked any Soviet proxy later. You blew it off when first mentioned but any use of gas would have had Bomber Command flying over German cities the next night with enough killing potential to make the battlefield use stupid and politically impossible.
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Old 03-04-2016, 10:34 PM
 
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Mutual assured destruction,
I understand and I didn't blow you off. The problem is that towards the end, Hitler didn't, according to my recollection, Hitler didn't give a damn about the destruction of Europe, or even Germany for that matter. He certainly behaved that way given his orders for the defense of Berlin. With that view lies the basis of my quandary and there just may not be a satisfactory answer.
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Old 03-05-2016, 04:28 AM
 
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It would seem to me that the Allies were following the treaties that they signed and didn't use them. Since it was not used on them, Germany didn't use it as well. I have also heard the theory that Hitler didn't agree with using those types of weapons after his WW1 experience. I do get what you're saying though. I'm surprised Germany didn't use them during the Battle of Britain early on in the war with the air war was much more precarious. Later on, had they used them, the American and British Airforce would have punished Germany (if it can be believed) more harshly than they did.


Said Churchill "German cities will be subjected to the like of which has never been experienced by a country in continuity, severity, and magnitude. To achieve this end, there are no lengths of violence to which we will not go."


Perhaps the air power was already destructive and powerful enough towards the end, and there was no reason to use chemical weapons on a city like Dresden. Perhaps there really was a limit to which the allies would go. Chemical weapons.


I often wonder if the U.s would have used nuclear weapons on Germany or if it was reserved and usable only for Japan because of revenge for Pearl Harbor and the Japanese being considered "subhuman". I think I've read before that the U.s had plans in Europe to use nuclear weapons against the soviets if things got out of control in the continent immediately after the war. I'm interested if anyone has any info!

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Old 03-05-2016, 06:00 AM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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The "revenge for Pearl Harbor" meme is revisionist history. The atomic bombs were originally slated for use in Germany but the final collapse ended up happening so quickly, with no anticipated guerilla actions from the so-called Alpine Redoubt, that the war in Europe ended sooner than anticipated before the bombs were ready.
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Old 03-06-2016, 08:11 AM
 
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The "revenge for Pearl Harbor" meme is revisionist history. The atomic bombs were originally slated for use in Germany but the final collapse ended up happening so quickly, with no anticipated guerilla actions from the so-called Alpine Redoubt, that the war in Europe ended sooner than anticipated before the bombs were ready.
Nothing demonstrates that more than the fire bombings of Hamburg and Dresden which pretty much duplicated the atomic bombs. As you indicated, nobody was pulling punches with Germany.
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