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This article is garbage and is typical of people who believe in conspiracies instead of facts that can be readily established. Statements like "LBJ killed JFK" are nothing short of defamation and don't belong in the history forum. If they belong anywhere it would be in a forum that dealt with either fiction or supernatural experiences.
The idea that Oswald was framed and didn't shoot JFK has been so thoroughly debunked it ought to be relegated to fairycastleland. Yet, it continues because of people who are determined to spout nonsense.
Here are few facts that are irrefutable:
1. Oswald purchased the gun that was fired from the TSBD at JFK. It was a mail order Manlicher Carcano rifle.
2. The gun was purchased under the alias "A Hidell". Phony ID with this alias was found in Oswald's wallet after he was arrested.
3. Oswald was carrying a long package the morning before the assassination aboard a bus that he identified to others as "curtain rods".
4. Oswald was in the TSBD when the assassination occurred.
5. After the assassination, Oswald left the TSBD in a hurry. When stopped by Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippets. Oswald gunned Tippets down in the presence of several eyewitnesses. Unless Oswald was attempting to flee after he had committed an extremely serious crime, there was no reason for him to murder Officer Tippets.
6. Oswald had used the same rifle a few months earlier to attempt to kill General Walker. This was discovered after the JFK assassination.
For other reasons, I won't get into here, I believe Oswald acted alone and there was no conspiracy. However, the notion that LBJ was involved in the whole thing is pure rubbish.
Last edited by markg91359; 04-02-2016 at 09:54 AM..
Oswald had used the same rifle a few months earlier to attempt to kill General Walker. This was discovered after the JFK assassination.
Very few people seem to be aware of that reality, and it connects Oswald to both the JFK assassination rifle and to his "capacity" to plan and to carry out an assassination. Only after a lot of direct questioning by FBI agents did Marina Oswald finally reveal that she had become aware--after the fact--of her husband's attempted assassination of General Walker.
There has been a lot of scuttlebutt over the years about the possibility that Oswald was actually a right-wing operative, masquerading as a Communist sympathizer. However, his almost-successful attempt to kill General Walker--who was about as right-wing as you could possibly get at that time--is very good confirmation of Oswald's true Communist sympathies.
While it is difficult for most people to accept that a semi-literate, unbalanced, never-successful person armed with an old sub-standard firearm could have assassinated the leader of the strongest nation in the world, all credible evidence leads to the conclusion that Oswald did do it. And, for those who believe that he was part of a wide-spread conspiracy, you have to ask yourself...Why would anyone else want to get involved in a conspiracy with an unstable person like Oswald, who had failed at everything he had ever attempted during his life? If you were part of a group trying to carry out an assassination of this type, wouldn't you seek someone with proven skills and stability?
Unfortunately for the nation and the world, Oswald just got...lucky...that day.
Last edited by Retriever; 04-02-2016 at 10:17 AM..
"There is overwhelming proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Oswald acted alone."
Really? I would like to see this "overwhelming proof beyond a reasonable doubt proof"
that you speak of.
I believe if Lee Harvey Oswald had went to trial he would have been acquitted.
He was willing to talk about what he knew so he had to be silenced.
Does it really matter what you see? There are tons of factual information out there, I can link to forensic tests that show all the bullets that came from the assassination are from the rifle found in the texas school depository, purchase receipts that say Oswald purchased the rifle, eyewitnesses that documented hearing the shot from the "Oswald perch", evidence that he tried to assassinate a military officer months before and killed a police officer after, eyewitness evidence that he was the only person on that floor, evidence on his warped psychological state, fingerprints, ballistics tests, timing and trajectory tests, all overwhelming...but none of that matters. You will explain everything away, no matter how illogical, unfeasible, or unsupportive it is.
Like I said JFK conspiracy theories has become an industry, along with 911 conspiracy theorists and "Elvis is Alive" believers. It's like those that believe in big foot - no matter of proof will convince one otherwise.
It's so popular that politicians jumped on the band wagon and a House of Rep. committee formally judged that there was a conspiracy in 1979 - that there decision was based on faulty evidence is forgotten, it's still repeated in the internet. And so goes all the consipiracy "evidence" - faulty information gets repeated and repeated again and again.
So it doesn't matter that there is overwhelming forensic, ballistic, and eyewitness evidence collected by no less than 4 government agencies that prove that Oswald killed JFK alone, conspiracy theories will live on. I'm told our Sec. of State, John Kerry, #3 in assuming presidency, believes the JFK conspiracy. It's a part of the US culture to believe in vast government conspiracies.
Here is the single question that everyone has not answered.
How likely is it that over so many decades, no one has been able to conclusively prove who did what ?
Remember the childhood game where the first kid whispers some thing to the next kid, and it goes around the room, until the last kid says it out loud ? My Dad used to say that the only way that a secret can stay a secret is if everybody involved is DEAD. How likely is it that somebody, after all these years, will talk ?
In order to maintain this secret, hundreds of people would ALL have to lie, for decades.
And just for a laugh..........In 150 years of Canada's political history.....we have never had a single example of a murder involving one of our leaders. None. I say that is because we don't see politics as a blood sport. Or we are way more laid back than many Americans are. grin.
And just for a laugh..........In 150 years of Canada's political history.....we have never had a single example of a murder involving one of our leaders. None. I say that is because we don't see politics as a blood sport. Or we are way more laid back than many Americans are. grin.
JimB
And, to be fair, Canada has 10% of the population of the US. You had a shooting in your parliament a few years back where someone was killed, no?
It pretty much boiled down to a nutjob with a gun killed one of the more prominent people of the twentieth century. A tough pill to swallow.
At the time my Dad always said, "in fifty years then we'll know what really happened." He would have been disappointed with the truth. Not very sensational or thought provoking.
Personal incredulity has no bearing on reality. But you do illustrate what is behind the conspiracy-theory mentality - a deep and abiding desire to see sinister machinations everywhere, and in this case to refuse to think that some loser could kill a President.
John Hinckley was a 'nutjob with a gun' - the difference between Reagan living and dying was an inch. Do you have some lurid conspiracy over that? (if so, spare me - and, yes, I know of the Bush-Hinckley connection)
Nutjobs with guns kill people all the time. And they try to kill prominent politicians periodically. Occasionally, someone's going to have success. Leon Czolgosz. Charles Guiteau. Gavrilo Princip. Sometimes they fail. Hinckley, as mentioned. Francisco Duran. Sarah Jane Moore. Giuseppe Zangara. Sam Byck. And sometimes there is a conspiracy - ie, John Wilkes Booth. And when there is actually evidence for a conspiracy, no one claims it's not a conspiracy. History is replete with losers killing towering historical figures. You may not like that reality, but that's irrelevant.
Andin the case of JFK? Well, there's not even a theory - just wild conjecture in every absurd direction.
This article is garbage and is typical of people who believe in conspiracies instead of facts that can be readily established. Statements like "LBJ killed JFK" are nothing short of defamation and don't belong in the history forum. If they belong anywhere it would be in a forum that dealt with either fiction or supernatural experiences.
The idea that Oswald was framed and didn't shoot JFK has been so thoroughly debunked it ought to be relegated to fairycastleland. Yet, it continues because of people who are determined to spout nonsense.
Here are few facts that are irrefutable:
1. Oswald purchased the gun that was fired from the TSBD at JFK. It was a mail order Manlicher Carcano rifle.
2. The gun was purchased under the alias "A Hidell". Phony ID with this alias was found in Oswald's wallet after he was arrested.
3. Oswald was carrying a long package the morning before the assassination aboard a bus that he identified to others as "curtain rods".
4. Oswald was in the TSBD when the assassination occurred.
5. After the assassination, Oswald left the TSBD in a hurry. When stopped by Dallas Police Officer J. D. Tippets. Oswald gunned Tippets down in the presence of several eyewitnesses. Unless Oswald was attempting to flee after he had committed an extremely serious crime, there was no reason for him to murder Officer Tippets.
6. Oswald had used the same rifle a few months earlier to attempt to kill General Walker. This was discovered after the JFK assassination.
For other reasons, I won't get into here, I believe Oswald acted alone and there was no conspiracy. However, the notion that LBJ was involved in the whole thing is pure rubbish.
Be careful what you call facts.
#3. Oswald didn't carry the package on a bus. Also, if the Carcano was in the package, how was Oswald able to hold it in his hand and cradle the other end in his armpit (the rifle was longer than his arm)? Nobody is absolutely sure what was in the supposed package Oswald carried, but it couldn't have been the Carcano rifle.
#5. The officer's name was Tippit. The evidence that Oswald was there is less than 100% certain, and your last sentence about his motive is certainly not a fact. It's just a conjecture.
#6. It is not proven that Oswald tried to shoot Gen. Walker. Even if it is likely, and I happen to believe it, it is not properly classified as a "fact."
Although the other three items are assumed to be ffacts, they are not conclusive proof that Oswald killed the President. If that was all the evidence you presented in court, lawyers would object on the grounds of "irrelevance." The best you'd have gotten was a hung jury.
Trial lawyers have written about how a trial might have gone. There are at least 3 books and 2 movies about it. Under legal rules of evidence, the case is not as ironclad as you seem to think.
"#3. Oswald didn't carry the package on a bus. Also, if the Carcano was in the package, how was Oswald able to hold it in his hand and cradle the other end in his armpit (the rifle was longer than his arm)? Nobody is absolutely sure what was in the supposed package Oswald carried, but it couldn't have been the Carcano rifle."
The former Marine Oswald--or anyone else with normal intelligence--would have known how to take an ordinary screwdriver and disassemble the rifle so that its longest component was less than 35".
Obviously this thread has gone haywire and degenerated into the usual Oswald "did it" vs. Oswald "did not do it" thing. Since everyone insists on going there, let me add my observation.
Anyone who is a serious student of the assassination, and who does not otherwise have an ulterior motive, will conclude the following:
1. Oswald was absolutely involved.
2. On the surface, all evidence points to Oswald killing JFK.
3. Under the surface, none of the evidence points to Oswald killing JFK.
Doug Horne's compendium on the Assassination Records Review Board is the most up-to-date, unbiased, professional look at the case as you will find.
"#3. Oswald didn't carry the package on a bus. Also, if the Carcano was in the package, how was Oswald able to hold it in his hand and cradle the other end in his armpit (the rifle was longer than his arm)? Nobody is absolutely sure what was in the supposed package Oswald carried, but it couldn't have been the Carcano rifle."
The former Marine Oswald--or anyone else with normal intelligence--would have known how to take an ordinary screwdriver and disassemble the rifle so that its longest component was less than 35".
Where in the 26 volumes of testimony and evidence before the Warren Commission is the report of finding a screwdriver or of recent tampering with the screws? Is that somewhere in the volumes published by the House Select Commission on Assassinations that nobody has read?
There IS evidence that, if the package contained a rifle, that it would not fit between Oswald's hand and his armpit, where there is also evidence that he carried the package.
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