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Old 04-29-2016, 05:21 PM
 
Location: London U.K.
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I saw this on TV months, or maybe a year or more ago.
War Plan Red was drawn up in the late 20s through 1934/5 by the U.S. Navy, it was effectively a plan for war on Great Britain and specifically Canada, if it was felt that Britain was somehow strangling or affecting U.S. trade throughout the world.
Fortunately it was shelved around 1939 because of the onset of WW2, but I don't think that it was abandoned, or dismantled, until the mid seventies.
This would have done wonders for the "special" alliance, don't you think?
Google it and see what you think.
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Old 04-29-2016, 05:26 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I think that all countries up until WW II had war plans against all possible/potential enemies, including those which were putative allies.


The Japanese Admiralty was invited to watch a simulated attack on Pearl Harbor sometime in the late 1930s. The aim was to give them a warning. They adapted what they saw and learned to their attack a few years later.
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Old 04-29-2016, 05:32 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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I saw this on TV months, or maybe a year or more ago.
War Plan Red was drawn up in the late 20s through 1934/5 by the U.S. Navy, it was effectively a plan for war on Great Britain and specifically Canada, if it was felt that Britain was somehow strangling or affecting U.S. trade throughout the world.
Fortunately it was shelved around 1939 because of the onset of WW2, but I don't think that it was abandoned, or dismantled, until the mid seventies.
This would have done wonders for the "special" alliance, don't you think?
Google it and see what you think.
"It is better to have a plan and not need it than to need a plan and not have it."

The US-Canadian border presents some interesting challenges for war planning. You start in the East with a long water border, in places very wide. Then into a plain that resembles the Empty Zone of of Saudi Arabia for it's lack of defensive features. Then you get into vertical ground that terminates on a coast.

Great fun for war college students.

And, of course, there was never one second when it was seriously in danger of being implemented.
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Old 04-29-2016, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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I saw this on TV months, or maybe a year or more ago.
War Plan Red was drawn up in the late 20s through 1934/5 by the U.S. Navy, it was effectively a plan for war on Great Britain and specifically Canada, if it was felt that Britain was somehow strangling or affecting U.S. trade throughout the world.
Fortunately it was shelved around 1939 because of the onset of WW2, but I don't think that it was abandoned, or dismantled, until the mid seventies.
Great Powers prepare for all eventualities. All eventualities.

I remember a press conference after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990. Someone asked a Pentagon spokesman if the United States had contingency plans for an Iraqi invasion of Saudi Arabia, which was widely feared if not exactly expected at that time. He smiled a little, and then stated that even though he knew nothing of such plans, he fully expected - for example - that France had contingency plans for occupying the United States. His point, he continued, was that countries and militaries plan for all everything, no matter how unlikely.

Personally, I like the color-coding of the sub-plans: crimson for war with Canada, scarlet for war with Australia, and so forth. Only for Ireland was the 'red' theme toss aside - of course, conflict with the UK on the Emerald Isle was gamed-out in War Plan Emerald.

Then of course there was Defence Scheme No. 1.


Canadian Defence Scheme Number One

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This would have done wonders for the "special" alliance, don't you think?
Well, the U.S.-UK relationship really didn't become 'special' until the bonding experience of World War II. Even after the First World War it was generally amicable but not exactly warm.
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