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Old 05-20-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Not quite. History does disambiguate, and by doing so can impinge upon beliefs.

Example: The common belief of many was that St. Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland.
Disambiguating, there were not snakes in Ireland in the first place due to glaciation and other factors. However, "snakes" may be seen metaphorically to represent druids and pagan cults, making the "miracle" both valid and invalid.
You are creating unneeded distinctions.

Did Patrick drive any snakes out of Ireland?.....historical question
If Patrick drove the snakes out of Ireland, was it in some supernatural manner?...not a historical question
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Old 05-20-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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"History" is also twisted by some for various reasons. Tests of super-secret aircraft may be intentionally labeled as "UFO" sightings in certain historical references, but later research can expose the less "miraculous" explanation.
But they were right, if you can't identify an aircraft it is by definition and unidentified flying object is it not?

A lot of the arguments over historical or miraculous stem from the unmitigated hubris of each generation thinking that since it knows more than the previous generation it knows ALL.
or worse and more common is the belief that what is happening now had never happened before, for no other reason than it didn't take place during their life time. This is one of the more common errors committed on this forum. For example, the country is more divided now than ever before which of course ignores the Civil War and the rancorous election campaigns of Adams vs Jefferson and Adams vs Jackson.
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Old 05-23-2016, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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The problem is that karma, kismet, revenge, and logical consequences often get conflated, and people not only don't understand the definitions, but don't understand the forces involved.

The "dumping" in China was primarily by England and involved opium. .
The "dumping" was carried on by Great Britain, Germany, Japan, Russia, France and the U.S., and it wasn't just opium! We're talking excess goods manufactured in those imperialist countries needing a market!
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