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Old 07-16-2016, 10:57 AM
 
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World War Two wasn't only a clash between large nations. It was also an opportunity for ethnic groups to settle scores against others they believed oppressed them. Here's an example from the "blood lands".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass...astern_Galicia
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Old 07-16-2016, 09:27 PM
 
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World War Two wasn't only a clash between large nations. It was also an opportunity for ethnic groups to settle scores against others they believed oppressed them. Here's an example from the "blood lands".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass...astern_Galicia

From the article above -

"The killings were directly linked with the policies of the Bandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army,"

Well yes, as I've mentioned on another thread, this is the massacre I was not aware about at all, until recent times, when I learned about it in connection with the war in Donbass. The Eastern Ukrainians pointed at these events back in history, explaining why they don't want anything to do with "New democratic government" in Kiev, where Bandera is revived as a "national hero." Needless to say that this is the nationalist government that's supported by the US, and as in case of support given to mujaheddin in Afghanistan back in the day (in order to "hurt Russian interests in the area") - NOT a good idea.
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Old 07-17-2016, 07:29 AM
 
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World War Two wasn't only a clash between large nations. It was also an opportunity for ethnic groups to settle scores against others they believed oppressed them. Here's an example from the "blood lands".
Here is another example of a hidden ethnic grudge that exploded in WWII:

- Burmese mobs murder tens of thousands of Indians and Chinese in the wake of the Japanese invasion. Many Burmese were jealous of the economic successes of these two groups and felt that the British had artificially brought them to Burma as to reduce Burmese influences. Many members of these communities attempted to retreat with British units, but were killed on the roads by Burmese armed groups and mobs.
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Old 07-17-2016, 08:27 AM
 
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From the article above -

"The killings were directly linked with the policies of the Bandera faction of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN-B) and its military arm, the Ukrainian Insurgent Army,"

Well yes, as I've mentioned on another thread, this is the massacre I was not aware about at all, until recent times, when I learned about it in connection with the war in Donbass. The Eastern Ukrainians pointed at these events back in history, explaining why they don't want anything to do with "New democratic government" in Kiev, where Bandera is revived as a "national hero." Needless to say that this is the nationalist government that's supported by the US, and as in case of support given to mujaheddin in Afghanistan back in the day (in order to "hurt Russian interests in the area") - NOT a good idea.
From my research, it seems that the Banderaists were directing their fury towards Poles and Jews rather than Russians.
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Old 07-17-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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From my research, it seems that the Banderaists were directing their fury towards Poles and Jews rather than Russians.

Mostly Poles. I believe Bandera's official policy towards Jews was neither to actively assist them, nor to attack them. As a side note, many Polish resistance groups had the same policy.
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Old 07-17-2016, 12:52 PM
 
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Here is another example of a hidden ethnic grudge that exploded in WWII:

- Burmese mobs murder tens of thousands of Indians and Chinese in the wake of the Japanese invasion. Many Burmese were jealous of the economic successes of these two groups and felt that the British had artificially brought them to Burma as to reduce Burmese influences. Many members of these communities attempted to retreat with British units, but were killed on the roads by Burmese armed groups and mobs.
I looked that up on Wikipedia but couldn't find information about it.
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Old 07-17-2016, 12:55 PM
 
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From my research, it seems that the Banderaists were directing their fury towards Poles and Jews rather than Russians.
No, ( not Russians,) because Bandera is all about the Western part of the country ( the part that brought the current government in power,) while the majority of Russians live in the Eastern part.
At that, the Eastern part of Ukraine is very "left - minded" and very internationalist in its nature, that's why they are pointing at Ukrainian nationalists and the followers of Bandera as something totally incompatible with them.

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Old 07-17-2016, 12:57 PM
 
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Mostly Poles. I believe Bandera's official policy towards Jews was neither to actively assist them, nor to attack them. As a side note, many Polish resistance groups had the same policy.
No-no, the terrible persecution of Jews BY UKRANIANS during the WWII took place precisely in Lvov (Western Ukraine.)

These notorious images of the WWII are precisely from Lvov.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%D0%...BE%D0%B2%D0%B5
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:29 PM
 
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Erasure, there's already a thread about Ukraine's past and present.
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Old 07-17-2016, 05:29 PM
 
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No-no, the terrible persecution of Jews BY UKRANIANS during the WWII took place precisely in Lvov (Western Ukraine.)

These notorious images of the WWII are precisely from Lvov.
Yes, that is true. But, I thought we were talking about Bandera's group specifically.
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I looked that up on Wikipedia but couldn't find information about it.
Neither could I.

I will try some other sources. In the meantime, the Time Life series on WWII mentions it and includes some photographs. It is in the volume on the Japanese advance through Malaysia, Singapore and Burma.
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