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View Poll Results: Most Prominent Political Leader?
Otto von Bismarck (Germany) 30 36.14%
Charles de Gaulle (France) 1 1.20%
Winston Churchill (England) 38 45.78%
Benito Mussolini (Italy) 4 4.82%
Francisco Franco (Spain) 1 1.20%
Other 9 10.84%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-19-2016, 08:05 PM
 
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Who was the most influential?
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:22 PM
 
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I thought the people in this section had historical knowledge.
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Old 09-19-2016, 11:54 PM
 
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I'm not the most knowledgeable about any of those dudes but based on what little I do know, I'd say Otto von Bismarck is the most influential out of those. He unified Germany. Churchill led the UK through the tough times of WWII but it can be argued that he helped hasten the breakup of his own empire.

Spain and Italy are relatively minor players on the global scene and Mussolini and Franco were jerks anyway.

Charles de Gaulle...I really need to learn more about him. Other than leading the French Resistance I know little unfortunately.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:12 PM
 
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Probably Bismarck, with Churchill in second place.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:13 PM
 
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I'm not the most knowledgeable about any of those dudes but based on what little I do know, I'd say Otto von Bismarck is the most influential out of those. He unified Germany. Churchill led the UK through the tough times of WWII but it can be argued that he helped hasten the breakup of his own empire.
Completely agreed about Bismarck. Also, though, in regards to Churchill, it is worth noting that the British Empire was going to expire sooner or later in any case.

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Spain and Italy are relatively minor players on the global scene and Mussolini and Franco were jerks anyway.
Completely agreed.

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Charles de Gaulle...I really need to learn more about him. Other than leading the French Resistance I know little unfortunately.
For one, he gave Algeria its independence.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:14 PM
 
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I thought the people in this section had historical knowledge.
We do.
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Old 09-21-2016, 05:03 AM
 
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I am going with Churchill, Bismarck second.

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11 visitors, no votes.
I thought the people in this section had historical knowledge.
Everyone is too busy answering "is 1990 like 2010" type threads.
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Old 09-21-2016, 06:40 AM
 
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Of those on the list, I voted Bismarck. However, I feel that Queen Victoria was more influential than any individual on that list.
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Old 09-21-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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Bismarck, because he was the one who fundamentally changed the power structure of Europe. Before him, what is now Germany was essentially a collection of small states with a common language. Afterwards, it was a power to be reckoned with. To me, the interesting question is what would have happened had Bismarck's vision had been fully implemented, rather than be dumped by Wilhelm II. Bismarck, as we know, was much more aware of Germany's newly-won prominence on other powers, while Wilhelm II was, to be succinct, an idiot.

If Wilhelm II had listened, would we have had World War I? Would we have had the collapse of Russia and Communism?

Churchill was influential only in his role in World War II. I am an admirer of the man, but the forces behind the decline of colonialism were just too great to be reversed, especially given how weakened Great Britain was by two world wars.

Mussolini, Franco, and DeGaulle? Nope. They were blips.
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Old 09-21-2016, 08:38 AM
 
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The question is who was the most prominent Western European political leader (after Hitler/Napoleon) of the last 300 years and the options in the poll are four leaders from the past one hundred years and one from the past 150 years. So the poll isn't really all that helpful in provoking a serious historical discussion.

Other leaders I would have included might have been Metternich the Austrian diplomat, William Pitt the Elder who laid the foundations for the British Empire through the 7 years war, Cavour who was the architect of Italian unification, Frederick the Great of Prussia and both Peter the Great of Russia and Catherine the Great.
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