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Old 05-29-2017, 07:48 PM
 
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All of you "history buffs" that think religion or god is history's greatest lie, don't appear to know what the meaning of History is. Religion does exist, people have practiced it for many centuries. That is no lie.

Some of what religion preaches, is physically impossible. We know that. This is not considered documented history. It has not been proven that Moses parted the Red Sea, unless you have the 2 disc blu-ray of the Ten Commandments. It is not documented as official historical fact.

I'm sure I'll get arguments on this. Others may have their own opinions.
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Old 05-29-2017, 08:32 PM
 
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Definitely not the bad guys if we go back to the cave man days. However if we're starting at the year 1500, I'd say white guys are in first place on the 'Bad Guy' scale. Can't try to take credit for all the inventions, scientific discoveries etc., and then absolve oneself from the negative. And frankly, if you take away the guns and smallpox, it's a crap shoot at best.
That is assuming the White Guys were capable of understanding enough about smallpox to have behaved in a different way to assure it did no harm.
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Old 05-31-2017, 07:29 PM
 
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This is more recent history but judging from what has been going on for some time in the off line world & quite frankly in this very thread itself, the myth of the post-racial plantation utopia.
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Old 05-31-2017, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis Indiana
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The biggest lie of the baby boomer generation was the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
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Old 06-01-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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Left vague on purpose, as I do not exactly known what the greatest lie is.

Is it slavery? Moon landing? The cover-up of genocide on Native Americans, then using their names for everything a large Cheesequake etc?

Discuss.

Marxism

Followed closely by any other form of socialism.
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Old 06-01-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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That's easy. The current school of thought that blames Western civilization for all the world's ills, from colonialism to slavery to war to whatever. People who actually buy into this line of thinking don't know very much about history. Slavery existed world wide. Nations have been conquering other nations in every corner of the world. And there's not a nation around today that doesn't have a good bit to be ashamed of, whether we're talking about the U.S., the UK, Germany, Russia, China, Burma, you name it.

You're talking about cultural Marxism
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Old 06-01-2017, 10:41 PM
 
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History's greatest lie was the lie that said that the South did not fight the Civil War over Slavery. About half the total population in Mississippi believes this lie, and it is disgusting how it was transmitted through even the public school education of whites until a few decades ago. The myth still prevails because the white kids of even today's generation don't know how to read historical sources, and everyone in Mississippi has been insulated by family members who say they had a relative fight in the civil war teach them what is contrary to what even the textbooks say, and many attend schools where they don't even receive the right textbooks that teach the truth (segregation academies.)

The fact is this: The South committed treason to protect the institution of slavery, fought the most bloody war in American history to save slavery after the emancipation proclamation, and lost the war.
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Old 03-02-2018, 10:33 AM
 
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One of the biggest lies being told today is something I call "Latino Historical Revisionism". I've spoken about it so often here that I probably sound like a broken record.
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I've noticed that Latino historical revisionism has striking similarity to the Irish slaves myth.

- Much like the myth that the Irish were slaves, people have recently discovered that "Latinos" were segregated with blacks in the Jim Crow era - even though no one had ever heard of that (not even the people who were living then). They claim it's long lost history that's being ignored, when in reality they are making the claims up.

- It's all new. It dates back just to the 2000s. Civil rights history normally had nothing to do with people of Spanish origin. In general, American history does not mention a "hispanic/latino" group because that concept did not exist before recently. In the 2000s, new literature started to write "Latino" history, which reinterprets American history pretending that people of Spanish origin were a minority group.

- It's mostly younger people that believe in it - Millenials and Generation X, which makes sense because milleneals are the first generation of "hispanic" minorities.

- They reinterpret history at will making unequal comparisons. Just like the people who argue that Irish indentured servitude was "slavery", Latino historical revisionists claim that special needs education for Mexican children that was based on language was "race segregation" - even though all cases that challenged it are clear about the fact that it was not.

- They want you to believe something other than what the history says. They make claims like "The records say that they were white, but they were not really white". They want you to ignore what the history shows, and believe the narrative that they are creating today - and they don't realize that they're making up a story.

- They invent statistics. Claims like "500,000 Latinos fought in WWII" are fabricated at will. There is no data to substantiate any such claim because there wasn't a "Latino" concept then. That ethnic category did not exist, so where are they getting these numbers? Latino historical revisionists literally go back in time and count people with Spanish surnames, make wild estimates, and then state it as fact.


This is a HUGE and pervasive myth, that seems to be unstoppable. It's promoted by left-leaning people and the "Latinx" generation.

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Old 03-02-2018, 10:55 AM
 
Location: crafton pa
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Breast beating liberals have been resorting to this nonsense since the realities of WW2 started to fade into history. College curriculums that don't include history leave us vulnerable to revisionists.

Before I start counting, lets remember that Japan had invaded China in the thirties committing wholesale murder and enslavement of the Chinese people. After the A bombs fell, the Japanese army was not yet inclined to surrender. The Emperor of Japan forced the surrender.

The immediate death toll of the two bombings was roughly 100,000. An additional 200,000 to 300,000 died as a result of injuries and radiation poisoning.

The American plan for the invasion of Japan was that Kyushu would be invaded, occupied, and used as a tremendous airbase. The plan was to bomb the remaining islands into submission. Expected Japanese casualties were five to ten million Japanese deaths. Estimates were made that invasion would have cost hundreds of thousands of American lives and more than a million American casualties.

The A bombing of Japan saved the lives of millions of Japanese, and many thousands of Americans. Truman did what was necessary to end the War. The premise that the A bombs were a show of force to the Russians was and is absurd.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymi.../#56ea3725ca2d

This is why we progressives lose elections.
Actually the two are not mutually exclusive, and IMO, there is some truth to both. Indeed, the primary motivation was likely saving the lives of US troops. The estimates of US troop casualties were on the order of 1 million deaths, and many more injured. The estimates for Japanese civilian and military casualties were as you mentioned.


Given that, it is still possible that Truman thought that using the A-bomb on Japan would intimidate the Russians and give the US the upper hand in post-war negotiations. Despite the heavy cost, Truman could have proceeded with the conventional force invasion. Russia had declared war on Japan just prior to the bombing of Hiroshima, though, and likely would have occupied Japanese territory had the conventional invasion proceeded. The likely result would have been a divided Japan, much like the divisions in Korea and Germany. Certainly, it's not unreasonable to suppose that ending the war before the Soviets could invade Japan was a factor. It also is not unreasonable to suppose that Truman wanted to use the A bomb to gain the upper hand vs. Russia in the post war world order.
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Old 03-02-2018, 06:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Certainly one of the greatest lies of history was the statement that the Jews were plotting for the global domination of the world as outlined in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. A false construction by the Czarist secret police this was on of the major reasons for the Holocaust.
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