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Old 10-23-2019, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I don't know about the greatest: WMD
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Old 10-24-2019, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Russia
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The US and western banking/monetary system . It’s pretty pathetic if you think about it .
I recently read an article about case Jerome Daly vs. First national Bank of Montgomery. Daly won the case, but in the aftermath the state machine naturally destroyed it. To prevent others from following in his footsteps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_...gomery_v._Daly

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Old 10-24-2019, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Crime doesn't pay! They'll get caught eventually!

Perfect crimes are committed every day around the world! The smartest criminals laugh their heads off reading True Crime books or passing by a prison, thinking they deserve it for being so stupid!

Only 65% of murders are solved every year in this country, what does that tell you?
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Old 10-24-2019, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Only 65% of murders are solved every year in this country, what does that tell you?
That's 65% of events that are recognized as homicides. 0% of those that aren't., which is probly most of them.
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Old 10-25-2019, 04:49 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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Crime doesn't pay! They'll get caught eventually!

Perfect crimes are committed every day around the world! The smartest criminals laugh their heads off reading True Crime books or passing by a prison, thinking they deserve it for being so stupid!

Only 65% of murders are solved every year in this country, what does that tell you?
For things like burglary and auto theft, the rate is 11%. If you are a little bit carreful and not overly stupid, you can live a long and contented life on the avails of burglary.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ype-in-the-us/
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Preussen
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History greatest lie is of course that allies were the good guys considering that its main contributor to the victory was soviet union, country that puts national socialist Germany to shame when it comes to number of innocent people getting killed. Of course Germany were bad guys too during that war but allies were far from the good guys.
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Old 10-27-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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History greatest lie is of course that allies were the good guys considering that its main contributor to the victory was soviet union, country that puts national socialist Germany to shame when it comes to number of innocent people getting killed. Of course Germany were bad guys too during that war but allies were far from the good guys.
Well, you've got a point, but allow me to rephrase......the Allies, with the exception of the Soviets, were good guys. We needed the Soviets to assure the destruction of the Nazis. So they helped the good guys...as they say - 'politics (warfare) makes strange bedfellows'......


It could certainly be argued that the Soviet Union under Stalin was much more evil than Nazi Germany...if you base that decision on the sheer number of people killed by each regime....
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Old 10-27-2019, 11:02 AM
 
Location: The North Star State
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Well, you've got a point, but allow me to rephrase......the Allies, with the exception of the Soviets, were good guys. We needed the Soviets to assure the destruction of the Nazis. So they helped the good guys...as they say - 'politics (warfare) makes strange bedfellows'......
The term 'Western Allies' is useful in differentiating the U.S./UK/France (and later the Free French)/Canada/etc. from other allies, such as the USSR and China).

Of course, realpolitik does not necessarily lower an actor to the level of another actor.

Personally, I think the trite white hat/black hat dichotomy is childishly simplistic and panders to those who seek not history but a fairy tale. However, it can certainly be observed that there was a morally superior side to the conflict that was World War II, and that he Western Allies were on that side. For Churchill and FDR, choosing Stalin over Hitler was an easy choice, as both knew that Stalin could be managed and contained to the point of working coexistence, whereas Hitler could not.

That's because the Allies fought out of self-interest. This is why the UK and France did not act while Germany was oppressing only German nationals, nor when seized, through political coercion, Austria and the Sudetenland. The decision to go to war over Poland was not done to right the wrong done to Poland but because at that point it was clear that Germany was going to continue to metastasize as a problem that was eventually going to turn its attention west. The same reality governed the decision not to move against Japan until 1941. It's why Franco's fascist dictatorship was left untouched. The extent of concern for those oppressed by the Axis were generally governed as much by the fact that many of those peoples - whose lands, conveniently, lay between the forces of the Western Allies and so would thereby be liberated out of necessity in defeating Germany and Italy - possessed may cultural ties to the U.S. and UK (and Canada).

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It could certainly be argued that the Soviet Union under Stalin was much more evil than Nazi Germany...if you base that decision on the sheer number of people killed by each regime....
I think the question of who was more evil - Hitler or Stalin - is a fool's game. The body count, whatever it is (usually magnified by whoever is making an argument one way or the other) is as much a matter of opportunity as intent. Was Hitler or Stalin really more evil than Saddam Hussein or Idi Amin just because they had the means to kill more people? Was Ted Bundy really ~6x as evil as Jack the Ripper, but only ~1/4th as evil as Tim McVeigh? That all seems extremely silly.
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Old 10-27-2019, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Preussen
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Well, you've got a point, but allow me to rephrase......the Allies, with the exception of the Soviets, were good guys. We needed the Soviets to assure the destruction of the Nazis. So they helped the good guys...as they say - 'politics (warfare) makes strange bedfellows'......


It could certainly be argued that the Soviet Union under Stalin was much more evil than Nazi Germany...if you base that decision on the sheer number of people killed by each regime....

Well if Soviet Union was just minor meaningless participant in war like Croatia or Romania then ok but out of all german soldiers that died during world war 2 ,80 percent died on the eastern front. They were the dominant force of allies therefore it is hard to say that allies were good guys. But even if we count just western allies. Were they really good guys? Better than Germany? Sure. But both United States and United Kingdom commited cold bloded mass murder on civillians during that war, therefore it is hard for me to call them good guys. Better than Soviet Union or Germany. Of course. Good guys? Definitely not.

History is always written by the winners though. Take a look at first world war for example. Germans are considered evil because they used poison gas on enemy's soldiers yet british blockade that were the cause of about at least 600 000 german civilians starved to death was considered normal act of war. Why because allies won the war and wrote the history. Had Germany won the war starving to death 600 000 people would be considered one of the most cruel cold bloded act in modern history and using a poison gas on soldiers just normal thing that occurs during wars.

Of course in second world war there two criminal sides national socialist Germany and Soviet Union but just because they were the most cruel does not make other countries that commited major war crimes good guys. That is my point of view.
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Old 10-29-2019, 07:15 PM
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Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I'm not going to argue about it here because I'm already embroiled in several threads on other sub-forums here but ... Since you asked ...

I believe we are creating what in the future will be known as the greatest lie ever told. History is in the making right now but it's still in the keeping of the context of this thread because its origins were during WWII/Nuremberg Trials.

It will reduce the Salem Witch Trials to a mere paragraph & overshadow even the Holocaust & that would be Vaccines & the Global Immunization Policy of the WHO as advocated by the CDC. If anyone is even left to write or read the books.

The eradication of the evolutionary process of the human race is unintentionally underway.

Well; you asked!
Au contraire, the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century:
https://www.berkeleywellness.com/hea...s-20th-century
#1. Immunizations.
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