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Charles II of England granted lands to the Lords Proprietors in repayment for their assistance in his Restoration to the throne. I do not know if Charles I promised the land to the Lords as they supported him during the Civil War. Charles II did make good on much his father promised that he could, and at that time who cared what he gave away in the untamed New World so it is possible Charles I was involved.
They called the lands in the new world "Carolina" after their benefactor, Charles. It was a business venture to them, not a royal colony. Later the Lords split Carolina into North and South Carolina mostly due to economic issues between the two areas resulting in different needs. NC was mainly tobacco and naval supplies (pitch and tar) and SC cotton and rice. As the economics played out, heirs returned the Carolinas to the King and it became a royal colony.
So the Carolinas had little if any Spanish connection, the Pirates who harbored there were even English (e.g. Blackbeard) harassing the Spanish as they carried gold etc to Spain. So no Spanish influence to speak of.
As posted earlier There was the Spanish conquistador Juan Pardo who led his soldiers across the Appalachians through what became the Carolinas on his way to the Mississippi River where he and most of his men were killed by Indians. But that is it in the Carolinas and the Cherokee Indians made every effort to kill the Spanish and burn down everything the Spanish did
Your Spanish influence was not the Carolinas, although Florida, Louisiana,and along the Gulf Shores were inhabited by Spanish. Therefore Georgia was colonized by the English as a buffer state from the Spanish.
So Spain never had the south, Southwest maybe. The Carolinas were named for the English Stuart king not the Spanish.
And Isabella of Castille is my hero but she did not seek to control, colonize, or own the American South so it wasn't Spain's to lose.
A Papal Bull from the Pope meant nothing to the Protestant English and apparently the French.
And Ferdinand of Aragon was a dastardly dude.��
Why do you think Ferdinand was dastardly? Reading history on this man indicates to me he was brilliant. He was the true power behind the throne. Mariage to Isabella brought substantial power to Castille. Titles reaching from England, the Habsburg Empire, several nation states of Italy.....the King of Sicily, Naples. Well connected to money houses of Europe, etc.
Agree his match with Isabella of Castille was brilliant and his audacity in pulling it off was worthy of a king. He and Isabella combined Aragon and Castille as she had the ambition to take Castile from her male cousin/uncle ?with her new husband Ferdinand of Aragon by her side. Elopements of royalty were seldom done or successful. She and Ferdinand ruled their separate kingdoms as a team and they were formidable together. He and Isabella did make successful dynastic marriages for their children. They were rightfully honored and feared in Europe. And their exploration of the new world brought a new era to the old world. I will even lay the Inquisition on Isabella as she ran Castille the greater country in what is now Spain. Together they defeated the Moors. A true power couple
He went downhill after her death. Between his greed for the throne of Castille resulting in what happened to his daughter the Queen of Castille, civil war with Phillip the husband of Queen Juana, total neglect of his daughter Caterina of Aragon in her greatest hours of need, and his lust for the Young French princess he catered to his baser desires and it was a pale mirror of rulership until his Grandson Charles took over his mother's throne.
That is why I say dastardly.
He was truly outstanding with Isabella
P.s. I am not a fan of English Henry Xvii either
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Why do you think Ferdinand was dastardly? Reading history on this man indicates to me he was brilliant. He was the true power behind the throne. Mariage to Isabella brought substantial power to Castille. Titles reaching from England, the Habsburg Empire, several nation states of Italy.....the King of Sicily, Naples. Well connected to money houses of Europe, etc.
Yes, he was what you call a conniver, a whoremonger practical man, but his father was superior.
Isabella was tough, but too religious.
English titles, that was Isabella
Also French
Aragonese empire - Fernando
Hapsburg - Maximilian, Juana's husband
Since the beginning, the South has been uninterested in being American.
During the Revolution, the South was the territory of torries, loyalists, and traitors.
Nine decades later, they openly revolted in an effort to preserve their slavery.
These days, they still glorify that failed treason.
During the civil war, the South was full of Democrats, virtually the entire south identified as Democrat. In the North, during his re-election Lincoln competed against Democrat McClellan who retired as a U.S. general and sought to allow the sough to be free and keep slavery. Pressure was so great on Lincoln his running mate was a Democrat, and after Lincoln's assassination (by a Democrat) Jackson was eventually impeached (but not removed from office).
You must go back to the 1820's and rise of Jackson to understand the DNC. The RNC was established as an abolitionist party, though initially Lincoln was a bit less solid on the issue of slavery. The secession of the South and war it caused, helped with his resolve to win and stop the corruption of slavery.
Since the beginning, the South has been uninterested in being American.
During the Revolution, the South was the territory of torries, loyalists, and traitors.
Nine decades later, they openly revolted in an effort to preserve their slavery.
These days, they still glorify that failed treason.
Yeah but the topic is "When did Spain lose the South of United States and how it was?"...I think he was talking about a general geographical area of the North American Continent.
It has more to do with colonial empire expansion and the results of European Wars, and the young US's own territorial expansion. Spain "lost" the southern and southwestern geographical area now under US control before really even the US settled these regions...except maybe Florida.
During the civil war, the South was full of Democrats, virtually the entire south identified as Democrat. In the North, during his re-election Lincoln competed against Democrat McClellan who retired as a U.S. general and sought to allow the sough to be free and keep slavery. Pressure was so great on Lincoln his running mate was a Democrat, and after Lincoln's assassination (by a Democrat) Jackson was eventually impeached (but not removed from office).
You must go back to the 1820's and rise of Jackson to understand the DNC. The RNC was established as an abolitionist party, though initially Lincoln was a bit less solid on the issue of slavery. The secession of the South and war it caused, helped with his resolve to win and stop the corruption of slavery.
Typical conservative,
constantly saying that Democrats were pro-slavery
But never mention that before the 1950s
Democrats = Conservative / Republicans = Progressive.
Some of you need infractions for dragging politics into this thread.
OP - Bottom line was Spain was never that interested in the US nor in building colonies.....but rather extracting resources.
Eventually as fortunes shift the areas "discovered" have zero attachment due to a brief interaction and claim on paper.
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When did we lose the South of United States?
