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Old 08-21-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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That wasn't built until 1828. They would not have been arguing about it in 1785.

I guess I wasn't being clear. This is what I was referring to:


(From Wikipedia entry)


After the American Revolutionary War, George Washington was the chief advocate of using waterways to connect the Eastern Seaboard to the Great Lakes and the Ohio River.[2] In 1785, Washington founded the Potowmack Company to improve the navigability of the Potomac River. His company built five skirting canals around the major falls: Little Falls (later incorporated in the C&O Canal), Great Falls in Virginia, Seneca Falls (opposite Violette's lock), Payne's Falls of the Shenendoah, and House's Falls near Harpers Ferry.[3] These canals allowed an easy downstream float; upstream journeys, propelled by pole, were harder.


Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 08-22-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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What was the world's first heavier-than-air machine able to engage in controlled, powered, and piloted flight for extended periods and then land safely, and when and where did it first fly? Where is this plane now exhibited for visitors?
Wright Flyer III, unlike the much more famous Wright Flyer I, is honored as a mechanical engineering landmark by the ASME.

<<Once again, on October 5, 1905, Wilbur flew until his fuel was exhausted, only this time he had enough to remain aloft for 39 minutes, 24 seconds, covering slightly over 24 miles, a distance longer than all of the previous 109 flights put together. Unlike anything else in the world, it could take off, climb into the air, fly for extended periods in any direction completely under the pilot's control and land in a safe, controlled manner. And it had shown that it could do all of this over and over again. While some fundamental changes in airplane design would come in the future, the primary one being the relocation of the elevator to the tail of most planes, the basic concepts proven by the Wrights with Wright Flyer III remained the foundation for these designs.>>

https://www.asme.org/about-asme/who-...ight-flyer-iii

As described in the above article, the Wright Flyer III was the first Wright plane with the essential separate rudder control, a fixture on all subsequent airplanes.

Due to contractual obligations and a tortured relationship between Orville Wright and the Smithsonian, the Smithsonian is contractually obligated to represent that the Wright Flyer I was the world's first airplane. Not until later, did Orville realize that the Wright Flyer III could be salvaged and reconstructed with the financial and engineering manpower of Dayton's National Cash Register Company industrial behemoth.

The Wright Flyer III was first flown and perfected at the 84-acre Huffman Prairie Flying Field in Dayton in 1905. Until the Wrights secured their patents, and demonstrated their invention and piloting skills in France and the U.S. in 1908, the world continued to think of the Wrights as charlatans, even in their hometown of Dayton. But once they demonstrated their invention, they instantly became the fathers of powered, manned flight.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g...The.World.html

The Wright Flyer III is housed at the excellent Carillon Historical Park in Dayton, where the Wright building is part of the Dayton Aviation Heritage National Historical Park.

It's a perverse turn of history that Huffman Prairie Flying Field, also part of the national historical park, is relatively sparsely visited in comparison to the Wright Brothers National Memorial in Kill Devil Hills, NC (Kitty Hawk), where the Wrights more famously tested in 1903 the Wright Flyer I, essentially a poor powered glider incapable of sustained and controlled powered flight.

The Wright Brothers fame depended not on the Wright Flyer I, but on two years of further innovation and hazardous test flights, undertaken within the boundaries of a small pasture just outside of Dayton in relative secrecy to protect the great commercial value of their invention. These Dayton test flights used a catapult, as they didn't have the advantage of the Kitty Hawk coastal winds, until their designs produced sufficient lift for unassisted take-offs.

Huffman Prairie Flying Field truly is the first place that humans accomplished a mastery of the skies, and yet it is relatively unknown to the world, even among Ohioans.

Consider that there have been several challengers to the claim of first flight, but none but the Wrights produced an actual machine, that even today would be recognized as an airplane, that could be demonstrated to the world in repeated flights. That machine was the Wright Flyer III, not the more famous Wright Flyer I.

Likely thinking of the great technological leap from the Wright Flyer I to the Wright Flyer III, Wilbur Wright wrote before the 2008 demonstration flight in Paris: "There is all the difference in the world between jumping and flying." This was instantly understood by the astonished spectators in Paris on August 7, 2008, when Wilbur first unveiled the Wrights' masterpiece and his piloting skills to the world.

http://nypost.com/2008/08/07/up-in-t...t-brothers-14/

For this reason, the Wright Flyer III arguably was not just the world's first "practical" airplane, but in actuality the world's first airplane -- the Wright Flyer III was a flying machine, not a jumping machine. It's fascinating how historical convention, reinforced by a legal covenant with perhaps the world's foremost historical institution, has created such an artificial distinction.

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Old 08-22-2017, 09:19 AM
 
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Interesting reading, thank you!

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Old 08-25-2017, 03:46 PM
 
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Default Former slave owner guides Union armies to victory?

What former slave owner emerged as one of the Union's greatest generals in the American Civil War?

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Old 08-25-2017, 05:28 PM
 
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What former slave owner emerged as one of the Union's greatest generals in the American Civil War?
General Grant owned a slave named William Jones, whom he freed in 1859. Grant also became an unsolicited slave owner when his father-in-law gifted several slaves to Mrs. Grant.
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:45 AM
 
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Default Recordings of Wright 1908 and 1909 demonstration flights

Imagine the sensation for individuals who never before seen, or even imagined, a flying machine.

First European passenger flight in 1908:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKDepNYlbRA

Other recordings of early Wright flights in 1908 and 1909:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3beVhDiyio

Wilbur Wright's flight around the Statue of Liberty. The attached canoe was the first non-human object ever carried by an airplane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jPNYhxhhGg

Huffman Prairie Flying Field discussed by David McCullough on CBS Sunday Morning. As is typical, McCullough leaves the impression that the development of the Wright Flyer III was inevitable after the success of the Wright Flyer I.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjccw9o1Pwk
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Old 08-26-2017, 12:55 AM
 
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General Grant owned a slave named William Jones, whom he freed in 1859. Grant also became an unsolicited slave owner when his father-in-law gifted several slaves to Mrs. Grant.
Good catch, but it wasn't Grant that I was thinking about.

https://www.nps.gov/ulsg/learn/histo...laveryatwh.htm
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Old 08-26-2017, 09:04 AM
 
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Imagine the sensation for individuals who never before seen, or even imagined, a flying machine.

First European passenger flight in 1908:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKDepNYlbRA

Other recordings of early Wright flights in 1908 and 1909:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3beVhDiyio

Wilbur Wright's flight around the Statue of Liberty. The attached canoe was the first non-human object ever carried by an airplane.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jPNYhxhhGg

Huffman Prairie Flying Field discussed by David McCullough on CBS Sunday Morning. As is typical, McCullough leaves the impression that the development of the Wright Flyer III was inevitable after the success of the Wright Flyer I.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjccw9o1Pwk
I always picture the American Indians when the first time they saw an airplane or an elephant from the circus, " Now what the hell is that?"
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Old 08-26-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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Good catch, but it wasn't Grant that I was thinking about.

https://www.nps.gov/ulsg/learn/histo...laveryatwh.htm
Well, then there was General George "Pap" Thomas who was from Virginia and his family owned 24 slaves.

And if this isn't who you had in mind, too bad.
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Old 08-26-2017, 09:00 PM
 
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Well, then there was General George "Pap" Thomas who was from Virginia and his family owned 24 slaves.

And if this isn't who you had in mind, too bad.
Bingo!

George Thomas' excellence was wasted because he was a Virginian and perceived rival of Grant and Sherman. Unlike every other Civil War general, including Lee (Pickett's charge) and Grant (Cold Harbor), there isn't a significant black mark on Thomas' record as a commander. At Chickamauga, Thomas arguably prevented a war-altering decisive Confederate victory.

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